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The Mazar of Qutab-e-Wahdat Hazrat Professor Bagh Hussain Kamal - Chakwal, Pakistan |
The Mazar of Qutab-e-Wahdat Hazrat Professor Bagh Hussain Kamal - Chakwal, Pakistan
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I don’t have words for your praise my Hazrat Gee
Hazrat Gee please give me nazra karam
from kamran Pirzada Dublin Ireland
Brother I really feel sorry for people like you
All praise is for Allah alone. When will you people learn not to worship graves? Asking dead people for nazre karam or help is worse than asking idols for help. Please learn the basics of Islam and leave this foolishness behind. Save yourself and your family from hell fire.
please read Harfa Akhar in Hala Safar (book) written by
Professor Bagh Hussain Kamal and you will get the answer
and I dont want to talk more about this topic.
I’m sure the book is very inspiring and I’m sure the Professor was a great man. I am also sure that this book is not better than the Quran and the professor was no where near as great as the last prophet. The bottom line remains the same that you don’t take your admiration for someone to a level where you’re almost worshipping their grave.
Salaams. ISLAMIC says very well. You cannot ask for help to these people because its a shirk. Even you were born, many people helped you right from your birth until you were able to stand on your feet. This was all shirk because God did not come to Earth to raise you. And when you are dead, no one should touch you because helping of others than Allah is shirk. And when you used to ask your mother for water or food, you were doing shirk. God mentioned in Qurran that people of faith help each other. Now question is alive or dead. The people who die in the way of Allah are not dead, and God gives them sustenance. Definition of Shaheed according is only the person who completely devote himself in the way of Allah and dies in the same situation. If you say: ‘no! Jihad is requirement’. Then Prophet, Peace be upon Him, said that to fight against one own-self is a greater Jihad. Now your third problem is Can they help? As your mother is able to help you, these pious people can also help. Fourth, is that shirk? When we ask these people for help, we are actually using their Vaseela. You cannot directly ask God because the Prophet, Peace be upo Him, is the doorway to connect God. There are number of Qurranic verses which state that use Vaseela of Prophet, Peace be upon Him, to reach God. And when one’s mother’s grave can give her son alot of things (Prophet, Peace be upon Him, said: The feet of your mother’s grave is the door of Kaba for you). Even Saints are nowhere near the rank of Prophets, but they are capable enough to resolve the problems of needy. General public does not need to ponder upon the ranks of Aulia Allah.
Anyone who denies this whole commentary, then no one is more idiot than himself whose capacity to think is not active.
This is exactly the kind of rubbish I was warning against. Muslim brothers and sisters who read the following lines 5 times a day should know better;
” You ALONE we worship and you ALONE we ask for help “
Kamran, these comments are specially for you. Inshaallah, you will get extreme rohani support from Hazrat Jee, as I personaly know Hazrat Jee. He is so kind to his mureed (Sathi). If you want to know more about Hazrat Jee, just mail me at ( deleted ). recite Darood Sharif as much as you can. Pray for me also
Kamram, Hazrat Jee was ‘Abbad’, not Qutab-e-Wahdat. Hazrat Jee was placed as ‘Abbad’ prior to 16 years of his Wasaal (Death). Remmember Qutab-e-Wahdat is 3 Times lower Grade than ‘Abbad’
Munawar - you sound like a typical peer
please don’t use this website to trap your next murgha.
Hazrat jee was the great personality of the rohani world. some bodies are dont know about. Hazrat jee but inshallah after some time all world will be understand about him. If u want to know then go to chakwal (pakistan) and learn about Hazrat jee.
I’m sure Hazrat was a great personality but nothing justifies making a tomb where uneducated people can come and worship his grave which is the Biggest crime in Islam and the only crime which will not be forgiven by Allah. Muslims need to be extremely careful and should stay away from all such nonsense.
munawar bro plz send me ur personal or text me on my mail
coz our Hazrat g dont like discussion about groups betweet Muslims brothers. We all r Muslims just Muslim.
and this is also my advise to our bro who doesnt mension his name plz dont spread Muslims brother all non Muslims powers r against us and we r still not together .
plz mera bahio ya ikhtalafat chor do our Allah ki rasi ko mazboti sa tham lo . our sirf our sirf Muslim ban jao.
I hate when people remember to mention ” You ALONE we worship and you ALONE we ask for help “, but forget to look the next ayats: “Guide us the straight way. The way of those upon whom You have bestowed Your blessings, not of those who have been condemned, nor of those who go astray!”. Allah could say: “….the path on which You bless…”. Allah does not forget the Great People, but some stupids from us wants to go to Allah straigh taway and also start degrade the friends of Allah. Later in life, see the evidence yourself that without the spiritual support from Friends of God, you cannot even trace the presence of Allah and will die without the Satisfied Heart.
On the basis of “You ALONE we worship and you ALONE we ask for help”, you cannot even ask your wife to cook the meal for you! If you do, you are infidel.
At the same time, Allah mentions on other locations: “People of faith are helpers of each other”.
The contradiction is not in the Koran, it is somewhere found in some un-trained mind.
Best regards
Dear Islamic, What we already have, is more than the price of this world - Alhamdulillah. We don’t need anything You are blind, ‘Allah pak ap ko baseerat ata karain’. So you can better understand the rohaniat. Jazakallah
A true Muslim knows that they should only rely on the Quran and the Sunnah for help. Sure you can check the writings and teachings of Islamic scholars to see how they interpreted things but NEVER go to the grave of a dead person with a feeling in your heart that only if I pay my respects here, I will get a son or my business will do better etc.
I challenge those supporters of the “peers” here to deny this fact that this is not what happens at these graves. Because grave worshipping is a well known fact in many Muslim countries especially Pakistan, I would love to see all the graves, tombs etc. demolished just like they did in Saudi Arabia. The teachings of these aulia can be preserved in libraries ONLY if they are in line with the Quran and the Sunnah.
Muslims do need to be united today and the only way it will happen if everyone comes to the same line of following just the Quran and the Sunnah full stop. These big mazaars which bring in big business for the people running them need to be demolished quickly.
ISLAMIC: If you have many problems with Aulia Karam and those who respect them, delete the entries of Aulia Karam from your website and then relax. I wonder why you have placed them on your site in the first place.
secodly be watchful when you say ‘grave of a dead person’ this could be someone else’s grave, not the Aulia Allah. Read the Koran completely and specially open your eyes when God says that Shaheed’s life is eternal and resourceful. Also get the definition of Shaheed properly. Have you noticed the difference between the grave which was built some 20 years ago (from general public) and the one which was built 800 years ago ( H. Data Ganj Baksh and Khawaja Moiniuddin Chishti Ajmeri ) ? If you havent noticed then do not f***g disrespect then and Keep Silent. Mind your own business as you feel good. I still feel some fishy fishy in this so-called Islamic Movements website why have you bloody posted the entries of Aulia Karam. Are u trying to create sizzling of discussions? Delete the entries of Aulia Karam because I do not like to see further disrepect from your website. Or, delete my email address from the site. Each after a few days I receive the fucking irrequired emails from this site. Though I will block the website in my mailbox too but I request that I should not be bothered from this sort of ‘enlightening website’. Let those f*** be dead in the grave who consider Aulia Karam dead.
Ahsan: I am just a contributor here. Please refrain from using filthy language, doesn’t suit a Muslim. I think these posts of mazaars ( grave worshipping places ) should stay on this site because discussions like these can help awaken some of our uneducated Muslim brothers and sisters. Listen to people like Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr. Israr Ahmed’s lectures on these topics. Come to the light, dont go back into the darkness of grave/ idol worshipping which was present before Islam.
mr islamic i think u r in dark. ur thinking is wrong. we dont worship the graves but we like the way of aulia a Aallah. Hazrat jee way is also connected with the way of Allah and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hazrat jee always tell us about Zikar a Allah, some Tasbiat and continue Darood Sharif. plz first u should understand about Hazrat jee after this write ur comments. Inshallah u will be understand
I have no doubt that Hazrat was a great pious person. All I want to know from you guys is this ” do people go to these darbaars and ask for children, ask for a better life etc or not? ” I know for a fact that this goes on in places like these. Just for this reason, these places need to be demolished.
Mr Islamic who u r and what u want? plz give me ur contact i ll talk with u personally i don t want to discuss on this site.
bro Ahsan Ahmad and Munawar plz leave him he won’t understand u.
I am a Muslim with a mission to crack down on grave worshippers. I don’t want any personal discussions with you Kamran. All discussions should be in the open where every one can read and make their own mind up about whose right and whose wrong.
If you guys can post proof from the Quran and the Saheeh Hadith stating that Muslims should visit and ask for help at graves like these, I will be the first one to promote this method.
Wa wa wa Mr. Islamic… you yourself use the language “This is exactly the kind of rubbish I was warning against”,… and you ask others to refrain from using the ill-mannered language?.. Very nice, you ask everybody to do those things which you yourself dont do. Very nice way of your mission. And I do not like the people who release Fatwah because of democracy. You want to demolish the mazars because people do this and that there, not because what Koran and Sunnah says? What a democratic Islam you are keeping. Brother, when there was shortage of rain in Madinah, H. Ayesh Siddiuqa used to uncover Prophet’s (Peace be upon Him) Mazar so that there should not be hindrence between it and the sky. The rain used to fall. H. Ayesh used to go to Prophet’s maqam without parda, then H. Abu Bakr was burried there. He was her father. She still used to go there without Parda. Then H. Omer Farooq burried there and H. Ayesha started Parda while visiting these Maqamat. The reason is that Suhabis did not consider special people of Allah as dead as later f****g mulims started to believe. Have you read the verse 21 of Surah Al-Jathia “The people who think that the life and death of Believers and non-believers are same, their judgement is wrong “. Let it be clear that muslim name on passport and ID does not mean that one is Muslim near Allah. Islam is verb, not the title descended from parents. There are many prophets whose sons were from mushrikeen. Keep it mind, Pakistan’s survival lies in the respect of Aulia Allah. The respect of Wali is the respect of Islam, Prophet (peace be upon Him), and God Himself. There is no harm if one prays to Allah by mentioning the name of His special people. God always honor the name of special people. He is not like us who forget the blessing of our mohsins. Due to these people we are muslim otherwise we would been fuckin hindus and sikhs, tasting the backs of upper classes.
Secondly, you started the Channel. You prove your point from Koran and Sunnah. This responsibility lies on your shoulders. You want everybody to prove and then believe, and you yourself have no proof of what you are believing…
one request from my side. Whenever you quote something, please back it up with Reference from Quran and Hadith Numbers. You mentioned that there is no harm in mentioning these peoples names when praying to Allah. Please give me proof to back this statement.
I’m not sure how you read you salaat but when we read it we dont say ” You alone we worship and you and ” harzat bagh hussain ” we ask for help ”
Precisely because of this grave worshipping practice, you are making yourself same as the Hindus not the other way round.
Mr Islamic i don t know who u r but this is my advice and also request to u if u want any discussion i am ready but not on this page because this page is only for us not for u people and Hazrat G is my spiritual teacher and teachers r like father so please don t break my temper. please choose any other place not here .please
Well. Not a careful reader, I did mention the references of Koran where I have mentioned Koranic verses. You are perhaps talking about the references of Hadith.
http://www.minhajbooks.com/
This shall open the online readable book naming ‘Ziarat-ul-Qaboor’. It has references which I talked about and there is a large collection of Hadiths which prove that Fitna by mind-driven muslim is wrong.
Whosoever wants to get the complete references must read the book thoroughly. But I know there people who indulge themselves in fitna, they do not have the habits of read books and whatever their misled Ulma tell them they believe them with closed eyes and they all base their fitna on the guestimations.
The mentioned book has clearly proved that Ziarat-ul-Qaboor is noy only right, but the muslims in the past even used to get the advice from the people of Barzakh (Hazrat Imam Shafai also reported that he used to get advice from Imam Abu Hanifa who was in Barzakh). And the help of Barzakh is irrelevant to the issue of Shirk because they can help by using the powers God Himself given to them to benefit people.
I do not mention the numbers of verses from Koran and you dare rejecting them:
“The people of faith are helpers of each other”
“The shaheed is not dead, they get the rizq from their Lord”
If you are a frequent reader of the Koran, you already know the numbers.
The Aulia Karam are of the muqam of Shuhada. But again, the arrogant people do have the habit of knowing the islamic definitions. For them, the hi-jackers of world trade centers are the only Shuhada.
Kamran - as I said earlier, why have a private discussion, why not let the rest of the readers see and make their mind up? If your belief is true, then there is no shame in it, no point in hiding it.
Ahsan - this tahir ul qadri is not an authority as many people think he is and I asked for ref from the Quran and the saheeh Hadith not the minhaj books.
Hahaha… I knew it, you people dont have habit of consulting the books. This Minhaj Book contains the references of Koranic Verses and Hadiths from Bukhari, Muslim, and other authentic hadith volumes. Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri does not develop his own hadiths and Koranic verses…. At the same time, you will start quoting Dr. Zakir Naik……
Koran says very rightly: “From Koran we show the right path, and from Koran we mislead the people as well”
I hope you won’t ask the reference of this verse number and I assume you already know.
The important point is that these discussions suit the great scholars of Islam who have indepth knowledge. These discussions are dangerous for lay persons like us. For instance, you didnt offer the previous Namaz and considering yourself the ‘representative of fixing faiths’ or Thaikadaar… Your philosophy creates only suicide bombers who have no knowledge of LOVE of God…
I requested you something earlier which was forgotton (I knew you will forget it because it creates the responsibility). So I remind you again:
you started the Channel. You prove your point from Koran and Sunnah. This responsibility lies on your shoulders. You want everybody to prove and then believe, and you yourself have no proof of what you are believing…
You can fool those who have no knowledge of Islam, but you can never do harm to the people of knowledge. I have no knowledge as well, but I keep myself attached with those who have knowledge.
I don’t wish to consult any books other than the Quran and the Saheeh hadith whether its Minhaj or whatever.
On your second point, I have previously quoted the simple simple which you possibly read 5 times a day ( you alone we worship and you alone we ask for help ) to which you replied, what about the following lines ( guide us to the straight path and not of those who have gone astray. That did not make any sense because you are still asking Allah to guide you and not some of these so called scholars.
Now if you feel you have a strong case to say that we need to ask aulia for help, PROVE it by quoting ref. from the Quran or the Saheeh Hadith and I will be the first one to convert.
seems like everyone here is picking on ISLAMIC so I brought this proof. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQz9FmDiSSE
Very right, then see the verse 35, Al-Maida. God Himself asking that contact Him using the Vaseela.
From Sahih Hadith:
Tirmizi, Volume 2, Page 197. In this Hadith a blind man got eyes because of the Vaseela of Prophet, Peace be upon Him, which Prophet, Peace be upon Him, himself asked the man the use Vaseela.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Page 137. Hazrat Anas reported that rain used to fall people used Vaseela of Hazrat Omer Bin Khitab.
There are many more…. But… this must prove that Vaseela of the entity other than Allah is not only allowed, but recommended.
Please open the Hadith Volumes and find out the references. Do not give me a chance to repent that why I struggled hard to find the references for those who dont have habit of opening the books.
Next time, you will deny Hadith as well. I know you them all…
yup that’s the proof I was looking for. Perfect, now I will go and ask Pir Allaudin to father my next child ( I mean give the waseela so I can have another child )
HAQ: You think that by misrepresentation of Koranic verses you people will succeed? Allah is saying something else, and people present His verses according to their own wishes and limited mental abilities. If visiting the grave is a shirk, then why Prophet, Peace be upn Him used to visit Janat-ul-Baqee? If the person in the grave cannot do anything, then why Prophet, Peace be upon Him, asked a man to go to his mother’s grave and pray to Allah using the Vaseela of his mother? If a person in the grave is dead, then why Koran says that ‘Do not call Shaheed dead, he is alive and gets the sustenance from Allah. People cannot sense their life’? Dont you see the difference between an idol and the friend of Allah? Koran says: O people of faith, do not marry the wives of Prophet, Peace be upon Him, and cause Him grief when He has physically disappeared from the world. You are all same, disrespectful, misleading people….
ISLAMIC: Korans clearly mentions that Allah is the one who guides and He himself is the one who even de-tracks from the right path. I even show u a thousand authentic references, I know you people very deeply, you will always have objections. You people came into existence just 2 centuries ago and try to show yourself the incharge of Muslim Ummah. If Pir Alaudin is friend of Allah, Allah will definitely give you the child. When Allah can use ‘Vaseela’ of Jibraeel Amin for the birth of Prophet Jesus. And when Allah can send Prophet Moses to the Wali of the time ‘Al-Khidhr’ for learning knowledge, then a person can use the Vaseela of friend of Allah. When you can do Sajda in front of Kaaba which is the building of stones, but given respect by Allah, then you can even use the Vaseela of Kaaba for the fulfillment of prayers. This is not shirk because you are not asking the object or person of Vaseela by forgetting God, but you are praying to God directly in reality.
OK Ahsan, I’m a convert now, what will it cost to have another child? Will it involve leaving the Mrs. at someone’s place overnight?
Haha very funny. I am not forcing you to convert, neither your conversion can benefit me. In reality, Learning about the ideas is not CONVERSION. Yes a pray for someone from the depth of the heart can benefit someone else. Imagine, Prophet, Peace be upon Him, prayed to Allah for Hazrat Omer Bin Khitab, and he embraced Islam. What do you think? Hazrat Omer’s conversion was due to his effort? That was a Pray of Prophet, Peace be upon Him. This is a definition of Vaseela.
I disagree with your last point Ahsan. Allah can accept anyones prayers if he so wishes. The last Prophet had a special place near Allah, you can never compare him to any of the aulia. Anyone can pray to Allah and if Allah wishes, it will be granted. What you cant say is something foolish like this ” We have tried everything but can’t have any kids so we need to go to data gunj baksh and pray for him to intercede for us and give us a child ” This is what the Hindus do, the light of Islam came into this world to purify us from crap like this.
highly recommended http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPYux_5Ea9w
” curse on the Jews and Christians who took the graves of their prophets as places of worship “
My points of this whole hot session were two. That, you should remove the entries of Aulia Karam from your blog because their due respect is ignored here. Secondly, you asked to present the references and in the thorough discussion I presented many though that was your responsibility because you started the channel and you started objections. Anyways, make it whatever you like from the references from Koran and Hadith but I would recommend someone whosoever reads this comment that Never indulge yourself in the disrespect of friends of Allah, nor help those organizations who do it. Imagine, someone likes you, but hates your friends.
No Muslim should hate friends of Allah. We should all pray to Allah ( directly ) so he forgives their sins and if they’re in heaven, gives us a place next to them. This video kindly provided by Haq was enlightening. Brother Ahsan, did you know that if you asked Abu Jahl who he worshipped, he would say Allah but he asked the statues erected in the Kabbah to intercede so his prayers are answered. This is the truth of your vaseela. A person in their grave cannot help anyone my brother. Why can’t you just pray direct to your Lord. This mention about one of your hadith about Hazrat Umar is also discussed in the video, please view it.
ok… then remove the Aulia Karam from your site. You try to be direct to Allah, and leave us. Furnish your own grave and forget everyone else. Allah mentions in Koran that ‘Whosoever says that we worship Allah, he should follow the footsteps of Prophet’. When Allah Himself does not free you from being direct, then you take a try. You mentioned earlier that “The last Prophet had a special place near Allah, you can never compare him to any of the aulia”. Korans says: There is an example of Prophet, Peace be upon Him, for the people. Prophet, Peace be upon Him, sent a request to Hazrat Owais Qarni, for the bakhshish of Ummah. We establish this Sunnah. Also kindly note that Allah is Himself Wali of His people as well. Prophet, Peace be upon Him, is also Wali. Recite the next ayah after Ayat-al-Kursi and you will know. WALI is not name of the Idol, it is the title given by Allah Himself. “Indeed, there is no fear and grief for the Friends of Allah”, Koran.
These posts should not be removed in my opinion because they serve as a source for the Muslims to make their own mind up about these things. Doesn’t seem like you watched the video properly. I’m sure you’re intentions are good but you cannot deny the fact that there are many crooks out there who use this technique and manipulate many ignorant Muslims and scam them out of loads of money. In my opinion, the only way to cure the ummah of this curse is to demolish the mazaars and save the work, writings of true friends of Allah in libraries so Muslims can study them and benefit accordingly. No need to visit graves and act like Abu Jahl.
Brother Ahsan it is useless. It is just like ( Bhens ke agge been bajana)
Whenever truth comes face to face with falsehood, falsehood perishes. You guys need to abolish the practices of Abu Jahl and embrace the light of Islam
HAZRAT GEE ARE GREAT WALI ALLAH AND ONLY I KNOW THAT NO ONE IS LIKE MY SHAIKH HE IS THE NOOR OF MY EYES
BAGH HUSSAIN WAS NOT A QUTAB HE WAS ABAD HE MADE QUTAB
I had almost same kind of thinking like Islamic but then I met some Allah’s saint and got changed. We should not worship graves; people do this because they are unaware/uneducated. I myself go to Mazars, pray Fatiha and Dua for them and then ask dua for myself to Allah. So, there is a difference. I live in USA and there is first Mazar in USA (city Philadelphia, State Pennsylvania) of Bawa Muhaiyadeen. I have been there few times. Whenever I go, I pray Fatiha for him, ask Allah to increase his Darajat etc and then pray to Allah for my self. I have seen him twice and I believe he is still actively performing Allah’s work even after he passed. People go to this kind of Mazarz for what? The answer is, these places contain a lot blessing/rahmats/barakats. Sick people go there and get healed, thieve go there and become pious, poor go there and become rich. Islamic - You will understand when you get sick and no doctor in this world would cure you and then you will get healed from a sufi kind of person or this kind of Mazar you talking again. Then your eyes and heart will open. My heart opened in this way as well. May Allah show you the true light. These kind of things are not in books, this knowledge is not readable or explainable. You have to experience this. You got to bow down to one of Allah’s friends how could show you the light.
Haroon - can you please provide some proof from the Quran or Sunnah where reading fatihah is allowed?
when you start associating dead peoples graves with barakat etc. you become the followers of Abu Jahl who used to ask for Allah’s help but through the vaseela of statues of pious people of that time.
Whenever a Muslim gets sick, they should pray directly to Allah for his mercy, no need to visit a mazaar. Dead people can neither help themselves nor anyone else. Dead people are accountable for their sins commited during their life time thats it.
Islam came to liberate us from the practices of Abu Jahl. Please brother, save yourself and your family from this Jahalia.
When you learn in school, why you ask help from a teacher? Why don’t you ask directly to Allah and not a teacher (Waseela)?
Same way, in Rohaaniat, you have to have a teacher (Allah’s friend) who already traveled on Allah’s path who has the ability you clean your heart, who has the ability to destroy Devil qualities and improve Allah’s qualities in you. Without Murshad (Rohaani teacher) you are no where.
There is no explanation of Rohaaniat, it cannot be explain, and you have to experience this. If someone never ate a Mango, nobody can explain exactly how it tastes; he has to taste it to recognize how exactly it tastes like. When you will get into Rohaani field; when you will have some Murshad then you will know otherwise you can keep calling everybody Abu Jahal and satisfy yourself. You are repeating the same words to everybody again and again and decided to close your ears and inner hearts.
My Murshid doesn’t preach (Tableegh) but a lot of non-Muslims accepted Islam on his hand. Why? You won’t have the answer. Why a lot of people accepted Islam on the hands of these Allah’s friends? Why not me, you or any ordinary person. These are the heart’s ways you cannot judge staying outside of this field. My Murshed has ability to heal people doesn’t matter on which place of the earth they are; there would not be a physical explanation of this. He healed HIV people; there would not be any physical explanation to show you how. He meets me without I physically go to him, there is no physical explain I have to show it you.
Did you ever go and ask these Allah’s friend, Sheikhs, Murshed. Go and ask, search the truth and prove everybody wrong. You look like someone who is teaching how to play Chess who never played by himself. The one who never ride a horse cannot teach how to ride. Search, experience and prove yourself right and everybody else wrong. If you have guts, go to them and prove them wrong. Inshallah, eventually; you will find someone who will light a candle in your heart.
Get your facts right please Haroon. If you asked abu jahl who he wroshipped, he would always say Allah BUT according to his beliefs, he had to go through the waseela of the idols erected in the Kaabah. Who were these idols? they were statues of pious people from that time. So there is no difference between these idols and graves of pious people.
You are commiting shirk when you say that your master heals you. Only Allah can heal you NO ONE ELSE. This does not mean that you don’t have to seek medical help. Allah says he has created cure for every disease. If your master can heal people with HIV, please send me his details, i will make him a billionare overnight
I feel peace and satisfaction on the mazaar of HAZRAT BAGH HUSSAIN KAMAL.That change my heart and mind.
It’s all in your head brother Shahid. When people are misled, they start believing in silly things. How can a dead person who needs to account for his own sins, give you peace of mind?
ISLAMIC: I am really disappointed that I mentioned so many references from Koran and Sahih Hadith you are still fu***** standing on the same level of disrespect. It is mentioned in Koran about you fuckin people that even Angels would descend from the sky in front of idiots and they will still not believe and would make jokes with each other because their hearts are sealed by God Himself. Brother you dont need authentic references at all, you need psychological help and the dua. Thats it…
Ahsan - those references perfectly apply to you yourself. Your hearts are sealed and you are hell bent on commiting shirk. may Allah help you. One more thing, people would take you more seriously if you didn’t use foul language on the same lines where you mention Quran and Sunnah. I haven’t seen 1 single ref. from you where it says that asking Allah for something at a certain mazaar holds more power when compared to an ordinary masjid or any other place.
First of Hazrat je was not Qutab-e-Wahdat. He is Adb and Abd is more superior than Qutab-e-Wahdat. So its my request to change the tiltle of Qutab-e-Wahdat from the Name of Hazrat Je Bagh Hussain Kamal. Infact he was the personality of his own name “BAGH HUSSAIN KAMAL”. I love My Sheikh.
brother Habib nice to see your comment I just want to tell all of u don’t use was with these personalities because they all are alive so we must use is with them.
Shaheed are not dead indeed. They are alive but there is strict criteria for people to be called a Shaheed. A Shaheed has to die in the way of Allah. Doing something to promote the way of Allah.
An example of the misuse of this word will be when people say Benazir Bhutto “Shaheed”. What exactly was she doing in her life that was promoting Islam?
These aulia may indeed have been working to promote Islam so they may well be called Shaheed BUT nowhere in the Quran and the Sunnah does it say that you must visit the grave of a Shaheed and ask Allah to fulfil their desires.
Mr it’s better for you don’t reply me, enough is enough
you told us your work is finished now it is up to us believe or not.
I never said anything like that Kamran. My work will continue until all grave worshippers are unable to corrupt more Muslims.
Mr. Kamran, I spent almost 4 years with Hazrat Bagh Hussain Kamal Sb. before his REHLAT. Even now after 8 yaers I feels him close with myself very much but he is not as he was in his life. I touched him, shaked hands with him. I know about his MAQAT very much. He stills guides me as whenever I am present on his MAZAR and he says to me ” O bachay tum jao tumhara faiz tum ko mil chukka hai “. But he is not as he was. His personality is the part of past, Allah may keep alive his faiz and blessings till Qayamat.
As the matter is concerned with the belief that the all the Auliya remains alive after their death as like ” Shaheed “. Keep in mind that Shaheed is a Mansab. Other Mansabs also exists whether those are superior than Shaheed or not, all the peoples rewards according to their Mansabs in life hereafter. He was ” Shaheed “, He will be treated as Shaheed, if he was Nabi, He will treated as Nabi, if he was Ghous, he will be treated as Ghous, even if he was non-muslim (kafir) he will be treated accordingly.
Shan Shan main Farq huta hay aur Maqam ke Mutabiq ataa Hota hai. Allah-us-Samad.
( He could have been a Nabi )?? Now I understand who you are, you’re ahmadi people. Out of the fold of Islam. Have you not heard of Prophet Mohammed ( pbuh ) being the seal of the Prophets?
Mr. islamic, first of I’m not ahmadi / lahori ( LANAT ULLAH ALA Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani and all other sects that belongs basically from this Jamat ).
I think you couldn’t understand me. I never said that that anyone could have been Nabi. I use the past tense.
After this tell me if I am wrong in my writings. If there is something wrong in my beliefs and thinking I must take returned from that concept and always appreciate to discuss it with all of you peoples.
assalam alaikum All!
my name is Tahir and I belong to Rawalpindi city but right now working here at Saudi Arabia. Alhamdolillah at Holly Kaiba I prayed to Allah for a peer e kamil and then after that pray i went to pak and Allah blessed me to introduced my Ustaad e mohtaram Janab Tabish Kamal Sahib (son of Ala HAzrat Professor Bagh Hussain Kamal). Since my ustaad e mohtam did a bait for me. Alhamodilliah i found sakoon and enlightenment in my heart and soul. Jazak Allah
walaykum asalaam brother Tahir. If there is one thing I love about Saudi Arabia, it’s the fact that those people are enlightened and you don’t see a single mazaar there. I’m surprised that there is still people from Pak and other areas who work there but yet do not get the same understanding of Islam as the Arabs do.
Wa Alikum Salam Mr. Tahir, nice to see your comments, about your prayer and the blessings of Allah by introducing Tabish Kamal Sb.
Mr. Islamic, you are just by name “ISLAMIC”. infact you have a negative critic personality and have no knowledge about ISLAM. Everyone has his own desires and needs a teacher to recover himself and he prays to Allah and Allah blesses him. Just remember one thing that the best teacher for a man will be from his own society/ culture because he can understand his student very well.
By the way you didn’t answered me of my last comment.
Habib - I didn’t think there was a need to reply to your previous comment because it has been discussed in length in previous replies. Ofcourse you are wrong in your beliefs. You are the followers of Abu Jahl who used statues of dead pious people to ask Allah to answer their prayers. This is the truth behind your concept of Waseela. I have no problem with Muslims seeking a good teacher but once the teacher has passed away, why must you visit their graves and use them as a Waseela to ask Allah for things like a baby son, good rankings in business etc. This is where you become the followers of Abu Jahl. Don’t tell me there is a difference between an idol and a grave of a person who has passed away. They way you guys decorate the graves in the mazaars, I don’t see any difference between the mazaars and the idols erected in the Kaa’ba. A person who has passed away has to answer for their own sins, they cannot help you erase your sins.. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Mr. Islamic, Agreed with you more than 50%. Its really not the way which has been adopted by some peoples who uses waseela and their direct belief / relation with Allah is not as good as they believes on their peers. But Waseela is not totally wrong. e.g. if some people adopts a wrong way to pray their NAMAZ, we cannot say that the NAMAZ has been totally prohibited. We must describe the correct way of Namaz. Just like that if some people uses this waseela wrongly and beliefs that now their desires must be fulfilled, these mens are no doubt misguided. Allah is Allah, whether he accepts this waseela or not, he is Allah.
More over the people who thinks that an ordinary man cannot direct with Allah, they have forgotten that Allah calls his men 5 times a day. We must build our own relation with Allah. Sheikh or Peer must be the place of teacher.
Just like that if a man prays from grave he is wrong then there will be no difference between idol and that grave whether it is decorated or not. But if a student goes on his teacher grave to satisfy himself and remembers his lessons which his teacher gave him in his life then i think there must be no objection.
Mr. Islamic, Don’t make HARAM which is in real MUBAH/MANDOOB. It might be possible that an illiterate / literate Jahil adopts that thing which is Mubah in wrong way. At this stage we must know the exact way and describe that.
Again i agreed with you that these things are wrong but we must purify these Mubah things from wrong beliefs.
Brother Habib, I almost agree completely with your last post. The only danger with this method is that illeterate people will always start using these mazaars as places of worship and there will always be a group of peers who will manuipulate these illteterate people and scam money out of them. Have you ever seen the grave yards in Makkah/ Madina? Graves are levelled and just a few small stones here and there to mark different locations. The had to ban people from entering these grave yards now because illeterate people from India/ Pakistan etc. wanted to enter these grave yards and decorate the graves just like they do on their mazaars. The next step would have been that these graves would have become places of worship.
Dear Islamic, You are right that some illiterate peoples / fraudulent groups of peers may start using these Mazaars as places of worship. There are two ways to over come this situation. One is that which is adopted by Saudi Government by demolishing the signs of Graves of many companions of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). Second way which may be difficult but its according to the wisdom that we must educate our illiterate peoples and to punish the fraudulent peers.
To make the Mazaars aren’t un-islamic as the Gunbad-e-Khizra also exists and the sighs of the Graves of Sahabah had been existed till 20th century. If these things were wrong then there would be no way of there existence even for one day in islamic History. We need to know the rights things with their right ways and to purify complete islam from false.
Wish you all the best. Guide me if i m wrong.
Habib - yes I agree with you to some extent. Spreading the true teachings of Islam to every one is a very big mission ineed. In the mean time though if places like these mazaars keep breeding new dodgy peers, the mission will be an uphill struggle. We can educate people but we also need to crack down on mazaars which have monthly/ yearly pilgrimages. I heard that there were more Muslims making pilgrimage to Ajmer shareef than there is to Makkah. This is what upsets me.
Dear Readers!
i here i am not to criticize anyone of you, but i like to share my feelings that since my childhood i am reciting darood (Alhamdolillah), by reciting darood it opens my heart and mind to understand TASSAWWAF and
Darood took me to a stage where it was necessary that i should take the hands of any spirtual teacher to guide me further in this noble way of islam.
I THINK IT IS MORE THAT ENOUGH TO SAY THAT WE CAN’T REACH TO ALLAH WITHOUT A SPIRTUAL TEACHER.
Us nay Diya HAth Mairay HAth MAin
Main to Walli ban gia aik Raat main
thanks
Tahir ABBAS
System Engineer/analyst
Saudi Arabia
Dear All, I am also the student of Hazrat Bagh Hussain Kamaal and my life became totally changed when I joined him. Almost, i was involved in every sin and my heart remain unsatisfied but felt into love after spending some time with him and starting Zikr and Darud Sharif. Hazrat Gee was also against the Shirk and Bidaat and always instructed to remain away from these. He always asked his students to do Zikr Daily and Read darud sharif as much as you can after completing “Faraiz”. I would like to mention here one incident through which every one may know how much he was against bidaat/shirk and how he stopped his students to remain away. Once there was Ijtimah and it was time of zuhr prayer. A sathi started reading darud shariff before the Azaan. Hazrat Gee became very angry with him and stopped him and said that “I and my students read darud sharif almost for the whole day, do not attach darud sharif with Azaan otherwise everyone will think that it is necessary before azaan and this will become biddat.
The point of view of “Islamic” is not wrong and it is with a possitive mission i.e people should not have choice to start worship by using mizars which is infact being seen at almost all the mizars in Pakistan. I found people worshiping the simple “Qabrs” which are not mizars. Can any one make sure that no body do Shirk in Suadia where there are no mizars? It is the matter of your thinking (aqeedaa) with which you take things. The “Islamic” brother is right but focussing only one source of worship i.e mizars. The real problem is this that we do not do what we say/think. We have to spread every message through our own character and that is the real tool and we are answerable to that.
Every one in the discussion tried to say that Mr “Islamic” is wrong but did not feel that he has a positive mission, whatever power of learning and understanding ALLAH has given him. We should respect each other positive point of view keeping in view the reality of the mission.
If someone watches vulger movies through CD Player, breaking CD Player is not a solution, but trying that he should watch Quranic Scholars, Learning programmes etc. Guns are being made for the safety but if someone use it to kill others, would it be required to stop making the guns.
As per my knowledge, Hazrat Gee did not used to go outside of Chakwal for preaching but I saw lot of people reaching him with sincerity and totaly changed and that is the true “Kiramat” of Aulia.
We should always focus on preachings of Hazrat Gee and not the mizar. It will be a great resposibility on the students of Hazrat Gee that they do not allow people to do sajadah there or other shirk related things.
At hazrat Gee’s Mizar and some other mizars I saw persons on duty who do not allow sajidah, which is required.
Dear “Islamic” brother, I appreciate your point of view. Try to read material about lives of Sufia Kiram and how lots of people were changed when they join some true sufi. Also, pray to ALLAH that if someone is wrong, ALLAH provide him true path. I would pray for you that you come across some true ALLAH’s friend and the changes you would feel in yourself, I would be unable to explain.
ALLAH HAFIZ
Zindagi aap ki inayat hai,
werna hum log mar gaey hotay!
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To ( Ma’n Kamalam Ma’n Faqeer ) - Now this is an example of shirk.
Aap ki zindagi Allah ki inayat hai. No one else.
ASA reading the good cooments about our beloved HAZRAT BAGH HUSAAIN KAMAL (ABD) makes me cry i wish i could see him kiss his hands and love him more one day i wish to be with him and be with the king of kings HAZRAT MOHAMMED SWS ameen plz ppl contact me more about HAZRAT SAAB
brothers this person has insulted our belopved HAZRAT SAAB remeber brother those who are enemys of my freinds are enemys of me ALLAH SWTA will deal with you if not nw then in the hereafter HAQQ ALLAH SWTA HAQQ YA MOHAMMED HAQQ YA ALI HAQQ BAGH HUSSAIN KAMAL
My intention is not to carry out any perosnal attacks on any one. I do however, have a problem with people who commit shirk. That’s all. I am only against people visiting mazaars and asking people inside their graves to give them children and money.
Brother that was not a attack you are being a enemy of allah becasue you are disrespecting his ppl the awliya qaram brother your viwes may be diffrent to ours brother we want to trun the other cheek and forgive this is the way of awliya and our Hazrat saab i wish you one day you can learn haqq but brother it is our belif respect it rember islam teaches us to respect others belif so brother hold your view to your self please we pary for you sallam
To turn the other cheek is the way of the Christians not Muslims
Islam teaches respect for others YES but also says that all other sins will be forgiven BUT shirk. Allah will never forgive shirk. Respect the aulia no problem but never worship their graves otherwise you will not be forgiven on judgement day.
We do not worship we love them and there teachings brother please swear at me do what ever you want to me but please do not say anything bad about my Spirtual father HAZRAT BAGH HUSSAIN KAMAL please stop arguing with my brothers
Good to hear you don’t worship them BUT there will be thousands who do when they visit the mazaar. Tell me it’s not true, send me proof that this does not happen at the mazaar. I am sure you can’t do that. If that is the case then anything that promotes shirk, we as muslims must get rid of it. Some taliban groups have some extreme and non Islamic views like banning education for women but I totally agree with their concept that mazaars like these should be removed not because we disrespect the aulia BUT because places like these give birth to grave worshippers.
Brother go to My Spirtual fathers Makaam and see if you see such things look at my SPirtual fathers teachings and if you feel that you can do anything to that mazzar il like to see you try bro you from england or put the country
Don’t need to visit the mazaar. I know what goes on in places like that. If you can prove to me that no shirk happens there, then I will retract everything I have said.
I hope that last comment wasn’t a threat.. what happened with ” turning the other cheek ”
the evidence is people who live there they will tell you and our beloved HAZRAT SAAB calphas brother that wasnt a threat its saying if you try to harm the places of ALLAH SWTA ppl then you will get done by ALLAH SWTA where u from bro
brother that was not a threat all im saying you have not been there you have not seen our HAZRAT saab teachings or know him and how can you comment about it astagfiruallah. wer u from lol anyway bro
Qasim, you’re right I have not studied the teachings of Prof. Bagh Hussain. If you check my comments above, I have never once said that I agree of disagree with his teachings. If his teachings were in line with Quran and Sunnah then alhamdulillah get the best out of them. If not then you should reject them.
I live online.
My quarrel is with people who visit these mazaars for the sake of asking for children be born to them or help with business etc. This is SHIRK ( the only sin in Islam which cannot be forgiven. )
why are you obsessed with my location?
ok forget them people forget about it but i ensure you that Hazrat saab done full quran and sunnah he was haqq if you would like to learn more about him then we are al happy to get more knowedlge to you sallam
That’s a good idea, if you could email us his teachings via the email listed on the contact us page, I would love to study them.
My only achivement of life is to be a part of Silsalai Kamalia. Thanx to all who are contributing to introduce Hazrat jee over net.
what is this silsila brother? Please provide a brief description for our visitors,
the sislsila is awysia kamalyia brother if there any teaching questions or you would like to knowmore about hazrat saab can you pleases email me them or publish them here brother islamic sallam
you’re welcome to email us the teachings on ( contact AT islamicmovements.com ) I can ask the editor to approve if they’re in line with Quran & Sunnah and we can then publish online here.
Professor Bagh Hussain Kamal was a great man.I am professors,s student.We all fellows always try to attend Bagh Sahib class only bcoz we always love to listen & see him.
Professor bagh Hussain Kamal Sahib is remain in my heart.
I still remember u sir.
rare indeed.
hazrat gee your so special i will never forget ur smile. thankyou for making me what i am today with out you nothing would have been achieved. thank you sir
plz ask only form almighty Allah …..read wht allah say in sura fatiha……
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 425: Narrated ‘Aisha:
When the Prophet became ill, some of his wives talked about a church which they had seen in Ethiopia and it was called Mariya. Um Salma and Um Habiba had been to Ethiopia, and both of them narrated its (the Church’s) beauty andworship, for verily I forbid you to do so.”[2]
* “The most evil of mankind are those who will be alive when the Last Day arrives and those who take graves as places of worship.”
“…Beware that those before you took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship. Do not take graves as places of worship, for verily I forbid you to do so
indeed brother Rashid. I agree with you 100% Surah Fatiha is the essence of the Quran. All muslims recite it but never pay attanetion to the meaning. It cannot be any clearer than what it says ” You alone we worship and you alone we ask for help ” BUT you know brother as you can see from sone replies, the grave worshippers will answer by saying ( why do you ask other people for help e.g. lend me some money, do this for me etc etc. ) That is a silly argument
dear friends!
it’s my personal experience that I CAN’T REACH TO ALLAH WITHOUT THE GUIDANCE OF MY USTAAD E MOHTARAM.
Alhamdolillah abiding by the instructions of My sheikh Allah is showering countless blessing upon me in one way and other way.
Silsala e Awaisia Kamaila main theme is to put ever energy to recite Darood -e- Pak
it’s enough to say in the hounour of Hazoor (peace be upon him)
KOI GHUFTAGO HO LAB PAY TERA(S) NAAM AA GIA HAIY
TERA(S) ZIKR KARTEY KARTEY YEH MUKAAM AA GIA HAIY
in short……………….. Sheikh guide to recite Darood and Darood
keeps us near to Allah and Hazoor(s)
Tahir
saudia
tell me Tahir.. are you scared to voice these views in Saudi? I’m sure you will never discuss these views with the native saudis because they will call you the followers of abu jahl, the guy who used to pray to Allah but only through the waseela of the idols erected in the Kaabah. These idols were same as the graves of pious people.
Keep Islam simple, no mediators, direct contact with Allah.
Respectable MR/Miss ISLAMIC
One of Saudi ARCHITECT MR. Ahmed EL-Hindi is working with me
and luckily we our office are side by side and most of the time
we discuss about islam’s spirtualism. .Alhmadolillah Mr. Ahmed belongs to madina and not not me he also practice spirtualism.
And i am useto share my precious spirtual observations which revealed on me being staying at holly kaiba.
and i am sorry to write you that your concept about the WASEELA is absolutely in opposite directions.
after AZAN, we use to recite a prayer (dua) in which we seek the WASEELA of Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him) to get SHAFAAT for the dooms day.
I, Myself never visit to graves for the sake to getting any help, But surely i pay visit to Holly places to pray for all those who left us.
and Allah is everywhere… if you don’t find any real Peer e Kamil
keep on reciting Daroood. I assure you Darood will surely lead to Allah or any peer e kamil who’s teaching and guidance will enlight your heart and soul to bring you close to Almightly Allah.
Nigah e Mard e Momin say Badal Jati Hain Taqdeerain
so ……………. i am sorry i don’t like to talk on this issue in more details… so many of my respectable family members and other friends were initially criticising me.. be Alhamdolillah by Recitation of Darood Changed their life and now
they PRAY for me…………….
so keep on PUSHING……………
PUSH = Pray Until Something Happens
and waisey bhi
Jurrat Hay to Aflak Ki Duniya Say Nikal Ja
Hain Bahar e Khudi Main B Poosheeda JAzeeray
Khultay Nahin Is Qulzam e Khamosh k Asrar
Jab Tak K Isay Zarb e Kaleemi say na Cheeray
thanks
Tahir
Tahir bhai, for memorizing sher, you get the first prize. My argument with you is simple. I don’t question your personal beliefs.. what I would like to know from you is this. These places like mazaars, do you know what other people go and do there? even if you just go there to pray for the pious people, do you know what the others go there for? I’m sure you do. These places are the centres of SHIRK. The only non-forgiveable sin in Islam. Stay away from this sin brother and keep your family away from it also.
yes i am 100% agree with you that around 10-15% people go there for PRAYER for the person inside the grave for his forgiveness from Allah and remaining 85% surely they go with their sick beliefs that might the person inside the grave will help them to solve their problem.
but i would like to clear that.. i am a student of Spirtualism
and that’s why i have a strong belief in spirtualism. I do pay visit to the mazaars of Spirtual people but my line of directions is different from 85% people which i told you..
and i am strongly admit that there are so many objectionable gestures on MAZAARS as well like siging, dancing, smoking etc
i do respect the all pious people but i never like to accept SHIRK in any means.
Tahir
That’s great to hear brother Tahir. I hope you will also agree with me then that to prevent those 85% of the people commiting shirk for which there is no forgiveness, we should demolish these mazaars and keep grave yards as simple graves with 1 or 2 stones to mark the graves as in Saudia. You should be willing to accept this just for the sake of saving your other muslim brethren from commiting shirk.
Your line of thinking also seems to deviate slightly towards suffism which is out of the fold of Quran and Sunnah.
sure we should try our best to guide those 85% people.
and let me clear one and last point that surely my line of thinking is not slightly but Immense towards SUFFISM.
Please i don’t like to share my spirtual feelings and discussion on SUFFISM as i am a student of Spirtual school of thought and
what ever Allah blesses me and rewards me is due to RECITATION of DAROOD and DAROOD leads me to more closer to Allah.
and no one can explain what is the SUFFISM but it will reveal in your heart and mind that without SUFFISM (Spirtualism).
and again i pay my Tribute to My Sheikh My Ustaad e Mohtaram
Janab Tabish Kamal Sahib who’s guidance is second to none for All Silsala’s Awaisia Kamalia
Regards
Tahir
System Engineer
Saudi Arabia
1st Hadith
inn-Allaha qad Harrama `ala al-arDi an ta’kula ajsâd al-anbiyâ’.
“Allah has defended the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets”.
A sound (sahih) tradition related on the authority of Aws ibn Aws al-Thaqafi by: Ahmad in his Musnad, Ibn Abi Shaybah in the Musannaf, Abu Dawud in the Sunan, Nisa’i in his Sunan, Ibn Majah in his Sunan, Darimi in his Musnad, Ibn Khuzaymah in his Sahih, ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Hakim in the Mustadrak, Tabarani in his Kabir, Bayhaqi in Hayat al-anbiya’, Suyuti in Anba’ al-adkhiya, Dhahabi who confirmed Hâkim’s grading, and Nawawi in the Adhkar.
Another version in Ibn Maja has this addition:
“And the Prophet of Allah is alive and provided for.”
fa nabiyyallahi Hayyun yurzaq
Bayhaqi mentions it also in the Sunan al-kubra.
2nd Hadith
al-anbiyâ’u aHyâ’un fi qubûrihim yuSallûn
“The Prophets are alive in their graves, praying to their Lord”.
A sound (sahih) tradition related on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (r) by: al-Bazzar in his Musnad, Abu Ya`la in his Musnad, Ibn `Adi in al-Kamil fi al-du`afa’, Tammam al-Razi in al-Fawa’id, al-Bayhaqi in Hayat al-anbiya’ fi quburihim, Abu Nu`aym in Akhbar Asbahan, Ibn `Asakir in Târeekh Dimashq, al-Haythami in Majma` al-zawa’id (8:211), al-Suyuti in Anbâ’ al-adhkiya’ bi-hayat al-anbiya’ (#5), and al-Albani, in Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah (#621).
Suyuti adds: “The life of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace, in his grave, and [also] that of the rest of the prophets is known to us as definitive knowledge (`ilman qat`iyyan).”
I have used the above information from a post on MSA-Net on that particular hadith by Brother Akram Y. Safadi, for which I thank him.
3rd Hadith
(laylata usra bi) marartu `ala Mûsa wa huwa qâ’imun yuSalli fi qabrihi
“(The night I was enraptured to my Lord) I saw Mûsa standing in prayer in his grave”.
A sound (sahih) tradition related on the authority of Anas and others by Muslim, Nasa’i, and Bayhaqi in the dala’il al-nubuwwa and the Hayât. Some mention the beginning (in parentheses), while others omit it. Nawawi said in his explanation of this hadith: “The work of the next world is all dhikr and du`a” (sharH SaHeeH Muslim 1/73/267).
4th Hadith
ma min aHadin yusallimu `alayya illa radda ilayy-Allahu rûHi Hatta arudda `alayhi al-salâm
“No-one greets me except Allah has returned my soul to me so that I can return his salâm”.
From Abu Hurayra, in Abu Dawud with a sound (SaHeeH) chain. This hadith has been adduced by the scholars as the legal proof for the validity and modality of visiting and greeting the Prophet , although the hadith does not mention the necessity of physically visiting the Prophet in Madina.
A note about the translation of “has returned”: Suyuti said that “radda” means `ala al-dawâm,” i.e. permanently, and not temporarily: in other words, Allah does not return the rûH and take it back, then return it again and then take it back again, but He returned it to the Prophet permanently, and the Prophet is alive permanently.
Sakhawi, Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalâni’s student, said: “As for us (Muslims) we believe and we confirm that he is alive and provided for IN HIS GRAVE” (al-qawl al-badee` p. 161). Ibn al-Qayyim said in al-RûH p. 58: “It is obligatory knowledge to know that his body is in the earth tender and humid (i.e. as in life), and when the Companions asked him: ‘How is our greeting presented to you after you have turned to dust’ he replied:
‘Allah has defended the earth from consuming the flesh of Prophets,’
and if his body was not in his grave he would not have given this answer.”
Ibn Hajar al-Haythami wrote in al-jawhar al-munaZZam (?):
“tawâtarat al-adillatu wa al-nuqûlu bi anna al-MuSTafa Hayyun Tariyyu… wa Sawmun thumma Hajjun kulla `âmin yaTTahhiru li al-Salâti bi mâ’i ghaythi” which means:
“The proofs and the transmitted texts have been established as authentic in the highest degree that the Prophet is alive and tender… that he fasts and performs pilgrimage every year, and that he purifies himself with water which rains on him.”
5th Hadith
Hayâti khayrun lakum tuHaddithuna wa yuHaddathu lakum fa idha muttu kânat wafâti khayran lakum tu`raDu `alayya a`mâlukum fa in ra’aytu khayran hamidtu allaha wa in ra’aytu ghayra dhâlik istaghfartu Allaha lakum
“My life is a great good for you, you will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a great good for you, your actions will be presented to me (in my grave) and if I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if see other than that I will ask forgiveness of him (for you).”
Qadi `Iyad cites it in “al-Shifa” (1:56 of the Amman edition) and Suyuti said in his “Manahil al-safa fi takhrij ahadith al-shifa” (Beirut 1988/1408) p. 31 (#8): “Ibn Abi Usama cites it in his Musnad from the hadith of Bakr ibn `Abd Allah al-Mazni, and al-Bazzar from the hadith of Ibn Mas`ud with a sound (sahih) chain.”
It is cited in Subki’s Shifa’ al-siqâm fi ziyarat khayr al-anâm
[The Healing of the Sick Concerning the Visit of the Best of Creation],
where he mentions that Bakr ibn Abd Allah al-Mazini reported it, and Ibn al-Jawzi mentions it through Bakr and then again through Anas ibn Malik in the penultimate chapter of the penultimate section of al-Wafa, both huffaz without giving the isnad. However, Ibn al-Jawzi specifies in the introduction of al-Wafa that he only included sound traditions in his bûk. He also mentions the version through Aws ibn Aws: “The actions of human beings are shown to me every Thursday on the night of (i.e. preceding) Friday.” See also FatH al-Bâri 10:415, al-Mundhiri’s Targheeb wa al-Tarheeb 3:343, and Ahmad 4:484.
6th Hadith
Man Salla `alayya `inda qabri sami`tuhu, wa man Salla `alayya nâ’iyan bullightuhu
“Whoever invokes blessings on me at my grave, I hear him, and whoever invokes blessings on me from afar, I am informed about it.”
Ibn Hajar says in FatH al-Bâri 6:379: “Abu al-Shaykh cites it with a good chain (sanad jayyid),” and Bayhaqi mentions it in Hayât al-anbiyâ with “ublightuhu” in the end.
7th Hadith
Man zara qabri wajabat lahu shafa`ati.
“Whoever visits my grave, it becomes incumbent upon me to intercede for him.”
Narrated by al-Daraqutni, al-Dulabi, al-Bayhaqi, Khatib al-Baghdadi, al-`Uqayli, Ibn `Adiy, Tabarani, and Ibn Khuzaymah in his Sahih, all through various chains going back to Musa ibn Hilal al-`Abdiyy from Ubayd Allah Ibn Umar, both from Nafi`, from Ibn `Umar.
Dhahabi declared this chain hasan (fair) as narrated, in “Mizan al- i`tidal,” vol. 4, p. 226: “Huwa salih al-hadith” which means:”He — Musa ibn Hilal — is good in his narrations.” Al-Sakhawi confirmed him in the “Maqasid al-hasana”, while al-Subki declared it sahih according to Samhudi in Sa`adat al-dârayn 1:77. Ibn `Adiyy said: “He [Musa ibn Hilal] is most likely acceptable; other people have called him ‘unknown’ and this is not true… He is one of the shuyukhs of Imam Ahmad and most of them are trustworthy.” al-Kamil fi al-Du`afa (6:2350). Albani declared him “thabit al-riwaya” (of established reliability) in his Irwa’ 4:338. About `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar al-`Umari: - Dhahabi calls him “saduq hasan al-hadith” [truthful, of fair narrations] al-Mughni 1:348; - Sakhawi says of him “salih al-hadith” [of sound narrations] al-tuhfat al-latifat 3:366; - Ibn Mu`in said to Darimi about him: “salih thiqat” [sound and reliable] al-kamil 4:1459.
This is one of the prûf-texts adduced by the ulama of Islam to derive the obligation or recommendation of visiting the Prophet’s grave and seeking him as “wasilat” (intermediary/means). See the chapter on visiting the Prophet’s grave in Nawawi’s bûk “al-Adhkar” and in Qadi `Iyad’s bûk “al-Shifa.” Sakhawi said in “al-qawl al-badee`” p. 160: “The emphasis and encouragement on visiting his noble grave is mentioned in numerous ahadith, and it would suffice to show this if there was only the hadith whereby the truthful and God-confirmed Prophet promises that his intercession among other things becomes obligatory for whoever visits him, and the Imams are in complete agreement from the time directly after his passing until our own time that this is among the best acts of drawing near to Allah.”
Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions.
Visiting Graves:
Dawud ibn Salih says: “[The Umayyad Caliph] Marwan [ibn al-Hakam] one day saw a man placing his face on top of the grave of the Prophet . He said: “Do you know what you are doing?” When he came near him, he realized it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari. The latter said: “Yes; I came to the Prophet , not to a stone. I heard the Prophet say:
Do not weep on religion if its people assume its leadership (walyahu), but weep on it if other than its people assume it.”
Ahmad 5:422, Hakim (Mustadrak 4:515); both the latter and al-Dhahabi said it was sahih. It is thus cited by as-Subki (Shifa’ as-siqam p. 126), Ibn Taymiyya (al-Muntaqa 2:261f.), and al-Haythami (al-Zawa’id 4:2).
Brother Audah is right if his point is to show that kissing the grave, rubbing or hugging it is neither haram nor an innovation, although it is disliked that people should be permitted to do it.
Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions.
so in other words, Mr. Bagh Hussain Kamal was also a prophet? Are you guys a branch of the Qadian family
ISLAMIC dont be dumb-headed. A dumb-headed wahabi like you doesnt have the minimum sense to understand the words of others. Did I say Bagh Hussain Kamal (R) is a Prophet? You people wished to crack down the tomb of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) let alone any aulia Allah. You dont believe in the living entity of a Prophet (A) let alone any aulia Allah. I just let you know some haadiths about Prophets’ (A) living entity to have a look on it. That’s all. I never knew Bagh Hussain Kamal (R). It’s great to know him from here! You pissed off wahabi don’t you understand the simple words of a man how you will understand aulia Allah or the meaning of Quran. You try to give meaning of your own stupid understanding. Better pray for yourself than to rescue others. According to your belief you cant do anything to anyone n that can be only done by Allah. So don’t try to be a wasila to help muslims! That’s shirk my brother according to your thought. Cause you cant help rather only Allah can help to all mankind. Don’t you make the same mistakes that you are thinking others are doing. Allah didn’t appoint you to crack down mazars rather crack down your head n purify it!
brother Ahmed, I’m not a wahabi, I’m just a Muslim. I never asked people to come to me and use me as a waseela. All I’m saying is that if these aulia had teachings in line with the Quran and Sunnah then those teachings can be preserved in libraries so the whole world can benefit from them. Why must you create mazaars where 99% of the visitors will commit shirk? In Saudia, those guys try really hard to keep the ignorant people from the sub-continent from tying cloth peices to the our prophet’s ( pbuh ) house in Makkah. Can you imagine?? the kaa’bah is only a few yards away but these ignorant people would rather go to the prophet’s ( pbuh ) house and ask for things like granting them a child etc. by tying a knot on one of his windows. Astaghfirullah!!
My advice to all muslims is to go back to the teachings of Islam by following the Quran + Sunnah ( FULL STOP )
Dear All!
Alhamdolillah! By Allah’s Bless and Darood’s Barkat Allah has blessed me to visit Makkah more than 500 Times for Umrah and Madina countless times Alhamdolillah.
I am not mentioning my visits to get any CERTIFICATE from any body
just to inform you that BEFORE TAKING BAIT OF MY SPIRITUAL TEACHER I WAS A PLAY BOY . BUT after following the Spirtual way i am Alhamdolillah very near to Allah.
There are two types of Diseases
one is Physical and other is Spirtual
medical doctor treat the physical problems and for the solution of spiritual problems PEOPLE GO TO OLIYA ALLAH (here let me clear one thing Mr. ISLAMIC’S STANCE IS SOME HOW ACCEPTABLE AS MOSTLY PEOPLE GO THERE TO ASK FOR CHILD ETC.
BUT i assure you ALL OLIYA ALLAH GUIDE PEOPLE ABOUT THE SPIRITUALITY .
it is in hadith that IN EVERY 40 PEOPLE THERE IS ONE WALLI. And being staying here at saudia i found many ARAB national who believes and follow their sheikhs and practice spirtualism.
all my respectable readers had read this historic incident of HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) that there was a lady who ask HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) that if you can ask Allah that in my fate is there any child?
HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) went to mountain toor to and ask from Allah and got a reply that NO THER IS NO CHILD IN HER FATE.
after some time there a pious man came across to the women and he raise his voice that for the sake of Allah give me some thing to eat and in reward Allah will give you whatever you desire.
she gave him some food and they she told her to PRAY FOR ME THAT ALLAH GIVE ME A CHILD (Please Note: she asked for the pray /dua …)
and the man prayed for her and Allah blessed her a baby.
after some period she met again with HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) and said in taunting tone that HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) you told me that there will be no child in my life. but Allah has given me a baby.
so HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) went to toor and ask from Allah about his baby … Allah replied go to your people and ask them Allah needs a piece of human body. HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) Went and conveyed this message of Allah to his nation.
but noone provided the piece of His/her body but one main (same person who prayed for the baby) cut a piece of human flush from each part of his body) and handed over it to HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul).
inshort when HAzrat Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) brought those human flush to Allah then Allah replied that Mussa (May Allah Bless his soul) YOU DIDNOT BRING ME YOUR PIECE OF BODY
and THE ONE WHO GAVE YOU HIS BODY PIECES IS the one
who requested me for the CHILD FOR THE LADY and i change the fate of that lady.
inshort DR. IQBAL WROTE THIS VERSE BY KEEPING THIS HISTORIC INCIDENT IN HIS MIND THAT
NIGAH E MARD E MOMIN SAY BADAL JATI HAIN TAQDEERAIN..
it is enought to say to MR. ISLAMIC and ALL THOSE WHO belong to same SCHOOL OF THOUGH who keep grudge with OLIYA ALLAH
that
GUR SIKHAIN GAIN TUM KO BADSHAI KI
HUM FAQEERON SAY DOSTI KAR LO
OK so you guys have now taken this example and started visiting the graves of dead people and hoping for your taqdeer to be changed because some dead guy inside a grave will magically do this for you. You can’t be pious enough yourself to donate a piece of your own flesh so to speak and be close enough to Allah yourself??
You must rely on another person to do this for you? If Allah wants to bless you with a child, he will do so, if not it doesn’t mean that you should spend the rest of your life visiting mazaars, join in commiting shirk.
Tahir bro i am agree with u.
Respectable MR. Islamic
further to your point ” you can’t be pious enough yourself….” sure we can but like other subjects of school college there are some way to learn …. to appear in exam .. one should go through the syllabus
for example.. as i am a Computer Engineer i have to follow the rules and regulations to troubleshooting my NETWORK. But same time if any novice will play with my computer network he will destroy it..
so please keep this point in mind and now think further that… TO BECOME SUCH PIOUS TO DONATE A PIECE OF …. we need a TEACHER who guidance requires for us to be clean and we need his instructions and TIPS which make us PIOUS ENOUGH IN QUICK TIME and IN RIGHT DIRECTION else we might be loss our way.
and brother…… DON’T CONFINE OLIYA ALLAH ONLY TO MAZARS
first get some EXALTATION TO SEE THERE STAGE where they are
HERE I LIKE TO QUOTE an example: if you are on ground you will see only your right lift but only some distance but if you move to roof of any building your focus will be bit large you will view some how more long but if you move more HIGH you might view almost whole town or city ……………
in same way…. BY RECITING DAROOD, ALLAH RAISES 10 DARJAATS and one someone gets height in deeds
his benedictions, prays are accepted instantly and swiftly
and he can increase his VIEW as well and brother please change your focus from MAZARS and try to reach on a height to amuse such a beautiful world of spirtuality.
DR. IQBAL writes
….. MAHROOM E TAMASHA KO PHIR DEEDA E BEENA DAY
DEKHA HAY JO KUCH MAIN NAIY AORON KO BHI DIKLA DAIY
SO PLEASE change your focus and change your DIRECTIONS from CRITICISM TO BENEVOLENCE
thanks
Tahir
I think a simple question will put an end to all this debate.
Can any of your aulia ever reach the stage of the last prophet ( pbuh )? The answer is NO. NEVER.
Now the last prophet showed us the complete way of life by example, his whole life was the Quran in practice. We don’t need any additional examples. Just stick to the Quran + Sunnah, thats it. Do study other literature as long as it complies with the basic tennents of Islam but never promote places where shirk takes place. Whether you do it for your personal spiritualism or not. We must not allow places like these to exist for the sake of 1% people who visit for spiritual reasons and 99% commit shirk.
Salaam,
I was blessed by rohani Bayet, by Hazrat Bagh Husaain Kamal Sahib himself, but never met him in person, my great loss. I have his Haal-e-safar and want to get it reprinted for some of my friends. How can I get more of his books if there are any and how to get Ijazat to get his book reprinted. Please advice.
W/Salam Amna!
congrats.. for getiing such a big opportunity to get a Rohani Bayet,
i am also from Silwala-e- Awaisia Kamalia but i got bayet from
Usstaad e Mohtaram Janab Tabish Kamal Sahib (Son of HAzrat Bagh Hussain Kamal Sahib).
about the reprinting of HAAL E SAFAR, i suggest if you can talk directly to TAbish KAmal Sahib, his cell phone is 03005144878
Amna! right now i am here at Saudi Arabia, else i surely get permission from TAbish Sahib to get this book reprinted again.
Keep remember me in Dua
Jazak Allah
Tahir
Saudi Arabia
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laagta hai un ki saari zindaagi darood parhney me guzri? Did he spend time with his family? did he work to earn a living? How did he feed himself? Please explain.
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That’s good then. So he has was great man, now what? let him rest in peace. Whats all this drama about beyt and stuff? Cant we keep our religion simple by just studying the Quran + Sunnah. Surely our prophet Muhammad ( pbuh ) was the greatest man ever to walk the planet. Why don’t we study his seerah and leave it at that? Whats all this other nonsense?
islamic i want to talk with u at net please come my yahoo id
inshallah i clear all your confrsion about above wahabi thoughts same such as arab countries except iraq .
Yasir, you should explain it here online so other visitors can also read the stuff and make their mind up. Please tell me, do you agree with me that mazaars would be rated at the top of the list for places where majority of the visitors commit shirk? I’m not questioning your belief, I’m just asking if you agree or not that majority of the visitors to mazaars go there to commit shirk?
islamic mazar per ja ka sajada karna shirk hai laiken sahib mazar kay laye fatia parna aur apnay laya dua karna ya allah apnay is naik wali kay wasilay say meri dua qabool farma shirk nahin hai
wrong wrong wrong.. Allah ke ilaawa kissi aor se madad mangna Shirk hai. Do you have proof that our prophet or is companions read fatiha on any mazaar? This is bid’aa
As for your waseela point. This waseela is no different to Abu Jahl’s worship. He also used to worship Allah BUT had to do it through the waseela of a pious man who lived near the kaabah. The only difference between your waseela and Abu jahl’s waseela is that he used to ask a statue made in memory of that pious man and you have to visit a grave of a pious person.
your thoughts are too different by sunni muslims.u r also a muslim but in 72 firqa,s i dont know which u have.with out a teacher it is impossible to learn lesson ,in world to many people and to many religion they have .every person asking that his religios correct.in islam people have different thoughts and firqa,s .no body thinking that maybehe is wrong.you say your prayer and do haqooqallha and haqooqul abad.thats enough for u ,dont waisting your time such wrong information that u have by wahabi thoughts.dont mind
you should never consider yourself part of any firqa. Why can’t you be just simple muslims? Why must you belong to firqas? Isn’t it a lot easier and simpler to just say you are a Muslim. not sunni, wahabi etc. ONLY 1 firqa is on the straight path, the ones called Muslims who follow the Quran + Sunnah. If you all come on this line, then we dont have all this other nonsense.
In your own admission, at these mazaars, you have shirk taking place also..where people do sajdey and ask for worldly gains. Just for that reason, we should demolish these mazaars.
My Dear Readers!
about waseela it’s more than enough to say that
just read the translation of that dua which we recite after each azan
we ask for the Waseela of Hazoor (s) from Allah.
I totally agree with Tahir BUT surely there is a better way that elevating a person to such a level that after their death, their place of burial will be used by millions of people commiting shirk. We all need islamic scholars, take the example of Saudi Arabia, its full of scholars. Imams and hafiz qualifying from say Makkah institutes are rated top of the lists but do you see any mazaars for the saudi scholars.. NO
It’s shameful that the people from the sub-continent are labelled as grave worshippers in Saudi because of their stupid and ignorant acts.
Tahir: are you trying to say that other people on this planet also have the same waseela as our prohpet? ( pbuh ) I don’t know what your motive behind this whole thing is except making a fool of people and minting some money by saying ” by the waseela of proff. bagh, I can get this done for you and that done for you. It will only cost so much “
Dear Islamic!
Please change your line of thinking
and i am sorry i can’t EXPLAIN YOU such spirtual feelings
it’s more than enough to say that.. but if you have depth in your thoughts to understand this
Jurrat Hay to Aflak Ki Duniya Say Nikal Ja
Hain Bahar e Khudi Main B Poosheeda JAzeeray
Khultay Nahin Is Qulzam e Khamosh k Asrar
Jab Tak K Isay Zarb e Kaleemi say na Cheeray
ASSALAM O ALAIKUM HAZRAT G QUTBAY WAHADAT K NAHE BUL K ABD K MAQAM PAR HAIN OK UN KA MAQAM BUHUT OONCHA HA
I read this discussion an man this islamic guy is something else, yes he says that he is muslim (alhamdulilah) but his views on vaseela etc are strangely familaiar with alot of ahle hadeeth, salafs and the wahabi’s. look there is a hadith by abu huraira ra = I have memorized 2 kinds of knowledge frm allah’s apostle.I propagated 1 of them to you and if i propagated the 2nd then my throat would be cut( Vol 1 book 3 hadith 121 sahi bukhari). What was this knowledge and why was it hidden thats because narrow minded people are too literal with hadith and quran and they forget that the quran is an ocean of knowledge, that is why abu huraira never related it to any 1 as the literalists would have killed him. now the literals are not wrong its jus that for thier minds its best for them to be that way. now the modern day literalists are the same they cant comprehend it thats why they ask islam to be simple because it gets complicated for them and we all know who they are. anyone who has read the kalima and iman e mujmal and mufassal then as far as im concerned your fine. the rest allah knows best. my advice rectify yourselves and then your family coz no point doing dawah wen ur sister is wit her boyfriend, im sure you get my drift. live let live and if you love allah then love his creation even the kufaar and let allah do his work. i know hardcore wahabis who go on about the quran and sunnah like they know more than the rest have become mureeds of my shaikh.Haq Sai. Forgive me if i have ofended any1 and inshallah lets do dua that we are in jannah as well as our friends an family. ameen
I have met and i am a student of hazrat jee, brothers since you have touched the subject of spirituality, let me explain to you that spirituality is not digestive for just about anyone, it is only meant for certain individuals who have haas karam of Allah (swt) His beloved Prophet (PBUH) and the Auliah Allah (RH). All of the brothers who are trying and putting in alot of effort for people to understand and follow Hazrat Jee (RH) let me inform you that this is not always possible, a prime and classic example of this is of the following: The beloved Prophet (PBUH) conveyed the message to everyone but look at Abu Jehel. One cannot understand spirituality unless they have been through sprituality with first hand experience or they have a connection with someone who is already completing the stages of sprituality. another example of spirituality is of Oxygen, we cannot see it but we need it to survive, We can feel it and sense it but we cannot see it or hold it or touch, this is the same way how spirituality exsists around us, we need it but cannot see or feel it. Brothers and sisters who Allah (SWT) has given you a chance to reserach, please do not waste this time in meaningless debates untill you have researched and acquired knowledge from all sources available to you, ultimately when you do this you shall realise that all the books of the Auliah Allah will lead you to the one and only true Kitaab which we all have faith in The “Quran”. Finally i must stress that you keep the doors of your Heart open at all times, for a student every breath that he takes brings a revealing fact please refer to Hazrat Imam Ghazali (RH) book of Kimiyah eh Sahadat. Remember Allah (SWT) has stated in the Quran that ” i have made you the humans the most greatest creation of all” this statement on its own has its own meaning for those who Allah guides, he did not mention the Jinns or the Angels but Humans. Spirituality is an ocean that words books quotes cannot complete sprituality but a Kamil Sheikh can bridge the gap that one has in his life. My brothers and sisters who do not believe spirituality i ask you of one thing that Allah (SWT) says in the Quran “I send Durood Shareef upon my Beloved Prophet (PBUH) and i command ALL of the creations to do the same. If you do not follow anything else atleast practice the above. On a final note my Hazrat Jees Dua is with all of us and so is mine. Har Fakeer da Adub Kareen, Mata Khizer hayat howi, Har chashmein da pani peewein, Mata abhey hayat howi, Har Ruh da saat deween Mata Ruhein HUSSAIN da saat howi. (Baba Bulleh Shah in Kasoor).
Respect all except Mardood Shaytaan and his practices!
beautiful article there brother Qayyum. What are your thoughts on the grave worshipping that goes on by viistors at these mazaars? Would your ustaad jee have approved of it?
Brother Islamic– I do not believe that anyone worships graves, they go and pay respects to the one who have been chosen, chosen not by me, you, or any other influential materialistic orientated person, but by The One and Only Allah (SWT) and his Beloved Prophet (PBUH). If we go and criticise people who bow the head, then what of the angels who prostrated to Adam (AS) on the order of Allah (SWT) what do you say about that??? Was that not a sajda to a human??? i am not saying worship graves or do ibaadat for the ones in the grave but remember Allah states in the Quran– “My house is niether a mosque or anywere else but In your Hearts is were i reside” . So were else but you will find Allah in the Hearts of the Auliah Allah and with their Help and Nigahen Karam we shall too find that… Allah (SWT) says do not call my people the Shaheed or My Auliah Allah dead as for they are not dead but verily alive and they do not fear death… Remember a human has two eyes— worldy eye and a spiritual eye…once you can see using the spriritual eye you do not see a grave but you see the person in the grave… but i believe this is too much for a normal person you must go deep into spirituaity with an open mind to understand… Hadess eh Kudsi– When a person becomes mine Allah (SWT) says- He speaks from my Mouth, He sees from my Eyes, He hears from my ears– So this Hadees eh Kudsi on its own clarifies that those who spend their whole life in the way of Allah, its not a big deal if they attract people to the Graves, its a blessing from Allah (SWT) who gives them respect after their departure– Allah (SWT) way of showing the normal person That this person spent his life in my way during his life, i will ensure he is respected, loved and remembered after his departure… and a departure by means of death for the worldy is scary and worrying but for the Auliah Allah its a succession for they will meet the Beloved Prophet (PBUH) and The Creator of Mankind. I will end this hear as i do not want to confuse anyone but remember…we cannot see or feel the shaytaan but believe he can lead us to astray, make us commit sins… well if the devil has so much power how can we deny those people who have spent their whole life in the path of Allah (SWT) will The almighty not enlight them???? Wasalaam.
brother Qayyum, I dont know what your personal motive or benefit behind this whole thing is but if you say that the vistors to these mazaars are just paying their respects, you are either very ignorant or choosing not to believe what goes on there for personal benefits ( perhaps you charge people a fee to solve their spiritual issues ) I dont know.
Allah indeed made the angels bow in front of man.. so what is the connection between that and what people do at these mazaars? Are the people angels now? so they can bow and do sajdaa at the grave of the ” aulia “? I didnt get your point.
My view is simple. Lets take the possible benefits and possible bad points of these mazaars and weigh them to see whats correct Islamically.
You say that these mazaars are a place of spiritual enlightenment. OK lets agree with that. So that’s a plus point according to you.
I say that it’s a well know fact that ignorant people visit these mazaars and ask for sons to be born in their family, do sajdaa at the grave, tie cloth knots on trees ( ways of the idol worshipping hindus ) and Allah knows what else goes on at these places. These acts are classed as SHIRK.
Now you tell me brother Qayyum, what’s the only sin in Islam which cannot be forgiven? yes thats right.. it’s SHIRK. Everything else can be forgiven but shirk. So a true muslim can easily be willing to sacrifice your spiritual enlightenment to avoid other muslims commiting shirk at these places. I pray that these mazaars can be demolished so we can save other muslims from commiting the one and only un-forgivable sin which is SHIRK.
brother Zubair sounds like an intelligent guy. Same question to you brother - is ” spiritual enlightenment ” by visiting these mazaars more important or stopping people from commiting shirk more important to you?
Like I have mentioned earlier, the vaseela of Abu Jahl and what you guys promote at these mazaars is no different.
Praise be to Allaah.
Praise be to Allaah, and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allaah.
i want to explain this issue with one example :
Visiting the Mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is not obligatory, but if you want to travel to Madeenah in order to pray in the Mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), that is Sunnah. When you enter the Mosque, pray first, then go to the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say: “As-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuhan-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu, wa sall-Allaahu ‘alayka wa ‘ala aalika wa ashaabika (Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allaah and His blessings. May Allaah bless you and your family and companions).” Send lots of blessings and salaams upon him, because it was reported that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Send blessings upon me, for your blessings will reach me no matter where you are.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2042). Then send salaams upon Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and pray that Allaah may be pleased with them.
But do not touch the grave or make du’aa’ there; rather move away and make du’aa’ to Allaah from wherever you want in the mosque or elsewhere.But do not touch the grave or make du’aa’ there; rather move away and make du’aa’ to Allaah from wherever you want in the mosque or elsewhere.
It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not set out to travel to any mosque
except three: al-Masjid al-Haraam [in Makkah], Masjid al-Rasool (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [
the Prophet’s Mosque in Madeenah], and al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].”
Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 1751; al-Bukhaari, 1189; Muslim, 1379)
And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.
Al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah li’l-Buhooth al-‘Ilmiyyah wa’l-Iftaa’ (Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas), 9/117.
Dear friend …now you can understand ……..were we are …if u understand and follow these hadith…….May allah prevent us and protect us from any evil act which is no were concern with the teaching of Quran and Sunnah (haidth) and make us follower of right path shown by Almighty Allah ..none other than one Almighty Allah with whom we ask supreme guidance….
Dear Brothers Assalam o alaikum .
Now it is clear from above mention Hadith ( Al - Bukhari & sahi Muslim) Only three place of workships are allowed to visit with intension…,,pls friend come out from ignorance … we are much influence by the old culture exiting in our land…come and understand the essence of islam …u ll understand were is M azar concept in saudi arabia ….dare to touch even grave of people of shabha (pbuh) in madeena … or do any evil activities prevailing in our country … i think if concept of Mazar were accepted here then these country will become Country of Mazar…..may allah help us to prevent from this evil act which is not proved from sunnah …. We are follower of one true religion Islam..then why so much complexity and confusion ….?? if there is Quran & Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (saw) ….never go here and there other than what are mention in Quran & Sunnah.. are there any need of discussion which has no valid point …try to first learn and understand Quran & Hadith …. no need to break our head in reading other books .i still dont know much but i am trying to learn frm the righly quided bookk og Quran and Hadith …who many people read and understand these book ….unnecessary having argument abt book written by human …dear if u can understand these books than inshallah i hope there will be no argument on topic of Mazar … i never seen any Mazar in saudi …why ? are people are ignorant ,,,.they dont understand Quran and hadith…..NO..friend they do ….that is why still esence of islam are found everywere ..try to remove this evil thought and think in postive way in light of Quran and hadith.. ,,just read and try to understand Sura Fatiha…. dear brother ……just ask anything from Almight Allah ..its not our government or corporate world that we need step to reach that position..or need something else…..its divine ..its gift from Almighty Allah that he is ready to give and listen to us ..but we are fool , we are lazy ..we are ignorant..we think it is same system run as what we do in this world for our daily affair ….no…Allah is alone and most power full .. just ask him…he is only giver ……..May allah show us all right guided path which will take us to heaven ..inshallah
Dear ,,, go to graveyard ..i say go every day ..with only one intention…death is very near ,……learn lesson….we are also follower ,,only different is that they reached grave earlier than us..pray from Almight Allah…for forgiveness and peace for the people who die earlier than us and pray for himself ……we are also coming soon ,..feel the darkness of grave…..just ask Allah to forgive us and prevent us from torment of grave,,,,,,……..and every one whoever come in this world will die and to face Allah …..at that time there willl be none other than there good deed which he/she had done in this world will be with them….first see yourself ……life is very small…..Only Allah will forgive us …inshallah…just ask directly from Allah..most merciful and beneficial . .. so why we will go here and there if Allah is ready to give us directly …..
I know brother Qayyum and the message that has been put down today on this site was put down by another brother using brother Qayyum’s account, i have spoken to him about your question and he said he will reply as soon as posssible when he is free because he is busy at the moment.
for example if one iS about to die or have some critical problem .. i am sure u all ask help from Allah only as at that moment there will be no time to search any steps to ask help frm Allah …..i hope you are well clever to understand what i mean brother…
brother Rashid is correct 100% Thank you very much for your input. I have been to saudi on Hajj and that is 1 thing that pleased me the most that there were no mazaars to be seen anywhere. I was also very embarassed by the behaviour of some of our muslim brothers and sisters from the sub-continent who were trying to commit shirk and were stopped by the authorities there.
For example, there were some people near the grand masjid in Makkah who were looking for the prophet Mohammed’s ( pbuh ) house near the Kaabah. When we heard what they were looking for, we also wanted to see, just out of curiosity but whenever we asked any of the guys in uniform where that place was, we got very vague answers like ( his house is in Madina ). We said NO, we know he is buried in Madina but he also had a house in Makkah where he grew up etc. we want to see that, but again, the guys there would not direct us to the place. We were confused, then we came across some Pakistani Hajjis who pointed the house out to us in the courtyard of the masjid. We walked towards it and guess what we saw? There were quite a few guards standing outside an old house painted in white and there were massive signs on the walls in URDU stating ( The prophet pbuh never asked anyone to come and pray towards his house or tie cloth knots here or make dua here ). I was so ashamed and realized now why the previous guys were not telling us where the house was. By Allah we had no intention of commiting shirk at the prophet’s ( pbuh ) house, we just wanted to see the place BUT due to the ignorant actions of some muslims, the place was now made a no go area.
Shame on the muslims who rather go to the prophets house in Makkah and not to the Kaabah just a few yards away to make dua.
can anybody answer ..why there is no mazar in saudi arabai…….hope there must be hundreds of mazar….??? why not if we have many mazar in our country….its really surprising there is no mazar….!!! may be they are on wrong path or we are on wrong path …judge yourself……!!!!! and i had seen no mazar of any sahaba ( PBUH ) …why ???
yes brother Rashid, that’s a good question. maybe these ignorant muslims ” grave worshippers ” think that they know more about Islam than the people of the land where Islam started and the people whose mother tongue is arabic, the language of the last revelation Allah sent.
I am grateful to you brother for taking some time out and writing your thoughts on this website. It’s the least we can do to save people from commiting shirk. May Allah guide us all to the straight path. Aameen.
Quran and Hadith give same messages to all …not different messages to different region or people ….They …why we have conflict on silly issue … There is only one religion i.e Islam …come out of darkness and ignorance ,,dont follow what our forefather follow may be due to ignorance ..Allah has given beautiful mind to understand what is wrong or right …. Dont be so rigid on your understand ..try to get some light from Quran And Hadith…..I Know its very difficult to come out from old belief …but pray to Allah to show us all rightly guided path …not a path of evil….
Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667: Sahi Bhukhari
Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:
‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”
Understand! my dear friend …where we are ……? what we are doing in Mazar..!
Just think and visualize what we people do at mazar..!
I dont know still how many time people remember our beloved Sahaba Hazart Belal (PBUH) who has given so much sacrifices for Islam and other companions (PBUH) of our beloved Prophet (SAW) ..but I am sure many people remember everyday about Hazart shaheb of our country!..
brother Rashid - can you tell us a bit more about yourself. I see you are from Saudi Arabia, which city are you in? Have you always been in saudi or moved there from a different country?
its hardly matter ..were i am ..there is only one Book - the holy Quran from allah for all humanity ,,,,,matter only how much we understand and how we discriminate between wrong and evil practices which are prevailing in our society…So my dear brothers still there is time to learn instead of having argument on issue which were never found during our beloved Prophet (saw) …. otherwise it will be too late when our life end…. Allah know better who is doing Shirik … but try to be clean … just see what our Quran and hadith say what to do…. We people,,, we are not doing all the duties what Quran & hadith are saying…we doing what we feel to do…First try to follow our basis Islamic principle ..than go for other thing but remember my friend …. Dont add anything which is nowhere mention in Quran & Hadith…if u are doing … any act which is in light of Quran and Sunnah ..then inshallah you are on right path ..if not ..then may allah help you and keep you all on right track…
yes I agree with you brother Rashid, lets see what brother Qayyum has to say on this matter, he hasnt posted anything as yet.
if anything my brother Qayyum think inline of Quran and Sunnah …then subhanallah …Alhumdulilah..!
I dont think so unfortunately
I believe brother Qayuum is into spiritual stuff and supports the mazaar business. Maybe they make money from it, I dont know. I hope he can come online and explain a bit here in light of Quran and Sunnah.
brother Rashid, did you know that at these mazaars there is people sat there making thousands from ignorant visitors. They make people believe that if you want a son to be born in your family, you must visit a special mazaar, if you want to marry a girl, then visit a different mazaar. These are the ways of the hindu idol worshippers but many muslims do it.
because some people make money from it, they make the ignorant muslims believe that the Saudi way is non Islamic. It’s all about a lack of education.
Great thought ! Dear brother …Just imagine what will happen to Masjid -a - Nabwi (saw) if there were no such type of islamic rule ….its Allah will that still people are there in these world which never want to dilute the Islamic value and teaching ……Allah has promsie to protect these places ..otherwise our evil minded people ..i dont want to say further ..May allah guide us …….and protect us from any evil act…
yes brother Rashid, when me and my family went for Hajj, we did discuss how beautiful it was when we travelled from makkah to madina and not a single mazaar on the way. Alhamdulillah.
I don’t always agree with what the Saudi govt. does e.g. side with the Americans but for this act of stopping shirk, I give them 100% marks. They are doing a great job. I also noticed that the govt. was giving us booklets trying to prevent people from commiting shirk. Allah is indeed keeping his promise of protecting these lands.
You are a very lucky person to be living in the holy places.
i never say they are wrong…if they feel that these are practice of our prophet ( saw ) …oh no ! ..never …. come to common point ….there is only one - Almighty– Allah — lets ask anything from HIM only ..lets practice what He tell in Quran and through his Messenger Prophet (SAW)… Why to go here and there …to pray ….Allah has ask us to build Masjid ….and pray as much you can ….and u know with whom ….directly from Allah ! Subhanallah ! Why to go and request from other …..Will your company Boss tell us that we can ask anything from him ..will be do foolish act by going and requesting from one level of manager to another level..if ur Boss is ready to give u if u ask directly..Nay! u r very clever ..u ll go to ur Boss directly…..and its clearly mention in Quran ”
“”" Iyyaka naAAbudu wa-iyyaka nastaAAeenu “”"
Translation–You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).
CAN ANY ONE TELL WHERE IT IS MENTION IN QURAN THAT WE REQUIRE SOME STEPS TO REACH THE ALLAH …..? mean we require anyone support to send our prayer … Allah is almighty
AL-FATIHAH -This Surah is in fact a prayer which Allah has taught to all those who want to make a study of His book. It has been placed at the very beginning of the book to teach this lesson to the reader: if you sincerely want to benefit from the Quran, you should offer this prayer to the Lord of the Universe …to seek guidance from the Lord of the Universe, Who alone can grant it.
AL-FATIHAH indirectly teaches that the best thing for a man is to pray for guidance to the straight path, to study the Quran with the mental attitude of a seeker- after-truth and to recognize the fact that the Lord of the Universe is the source of all knowledge. He should, therefore, begin the study of the Quran with a prayer to him for guidance.
I have said exactly the same points here earlier but the brothers who support the mazaars, they mention the vaseela. They say OK, why is it then that you will reply on the vaseela of the prophet Mohammed ( pbuh ) on judgement day?
AL-FATIHAH is the prayer from the servant and the Quran is the answer from the Master to his prayer. The servant prays to Allah to show him guidance and the Master places the whole of the Quran before him in answer to his prayer, as if to say, “This is the Guidance you begged from Me.”
so BROTHER STILL YOU THINK THAT THERE IS ANY NEED OF HELP FROM OTHER SOURCES WHO IS NO MORE IN THIS WORLD .. ALLAH CLEARLY SAY IN SURA AL- FATIHAH.- With whom we can ask help …..does it say go and first ask from Hazart and so on……may allah protect us from any wrong act ….
What saudi government do is no where our concern..it is there internal matter …we are not part of saudi citizen…we are attached with saudi because of well known fact .our center of islam….but what i observe what saudi is doing for the cause of Islam… Do any body study history of saudi ..how much Bidath were common in earlier days ..Subhanallah if we consider other part of world today ..saudi is best place to learn how they still preserve islam
yes indeed brother Rashid, Surah al-fatihah is the essence of the Quran. We recite it in every salaat but never understand it. I said the same thing before and you know what the other guys on here said
they said, if you only ask Allah for help then why do you ask your family to do things for you like iron your clothes, make dinner etc
Please explain to these guys, they made me laugh.
Great reply from our great brother …dear brother first think 100 time before give reply to anyone …like family to do things for you like iron your clothes, make dinner etc……..Allah has given two hand , two eyes , two leg .etc to strive to get anything ..but its allah will . ..will he give or not….. sure allah’s power and will everything happen ….even family cook food its allah will . allah make our family to cook food and we enjoy eating … just recall what allah tell to Prophet Noah (PBUH) to build a ship to keep all species pair inside it.. Its Allah will ..and people give there effort to built the ship..its Allah will only that he give idea how to built ship..if he did not give the guidance and support then no one can built the ship… I think our brother thinking aspect need to be enlightened by teaching of Quran and hadith ..so pray from allah for HIS guidance ..then only you can understand Quran …..just imagine yourself..can you understand Quran without reading … is it possible ..noway ..why so ..allah can do anything…yes ofcourse but allah has also given you way to understand the quran,,for these one need to read it ,,and again for these Allah guidance is require so dear to eat food one need to cook food …..may be ur family cook it or if u cook urself….
yes good answer brother Rashid. Now clear the second question I have been asked.
If there is no intercession or waseela? then why will prophet Mohammed ( pbuh ) intercede for us on judgement day and ask Allah to forgive us?
I was asked the same question and my understanding was that the last messenger ( pbuh ) was unique and he was given this stage as a reward from Allah. He will indeed ask Allah for our forgiveness but Allah will only forgive if he wills.
So this does not mean that if some hazraat was a good pious man, we can also ask him to intercede for us or use his waseela. My understanding is that this waseela what people talk about was the same as what Abu jahl use to say. If you asked Abu jahl who he worshipped, he said he worshipped Allah but he did not pray to Allah directly BUT asked a statue of a pious man in the kaabah to use his waseela. Using a waseela like that is same as shirk in my opinion and the graves in these mazaars are the same as statues that abu jahl used to ask help from.
one more important thing about Shirk : what quran and hadith say:
Allah the Almighty said: “Say: Tell me then, the things that you
invoke besides Allah, - if Allah intended some harm for me,
could they remove His harm, or if He (Allah) intended some
mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy? Say: Sufficient
for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put
their trust.” (Ch 39:V38)
Imran bin Husain (r.a.) narrated: The Prophet (Peace be upon
him) once saw a man with a brass ring on his hand and asked
him, “What is this?” The man replied, “To overcome the
weakness of old age.” He said, “Remove it, for, it can only add
to your weakness. Should death overtake you while you are
wearing it, you would never succeed.” [This Hadeeth was
recorded by Ahmad (bin Hanbal) (r.a.) with a good chain of
narrators.]
TO WEAR A RING, TWINE, OR ANYTHING SIMILAR FOR
PROTECTION FROM OR REMOVAL OF HARM OR
AFFLICTION, IS AN ACT OF SHIRK
Ruwaifi’ (r.a.) said that Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him)
said to him: “O Ruwaifi! it may be that you will live a longer time
after me, so inform people that whoever ties a knot in his beard,
places any string or cord around his neck (as a charm), or
cleans himself (after toilet) with animal dung or bone, then
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) has disowned him (has
nothing to do with him).” (Ahmad)
SLAUGHTERING FOR OTHER THAN ALLAH- like in name of Pir Baba , Hazart saheb — common practice still there ..
Allah the Exalted said: “Say : Verily my prayer, my sacrifice, my
living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the worlds. He
has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am
the first of the Muslim.” (Ch.6: V162-163)
“Therefore turn in prayer to your Lord and sacrifice (to Him
only)”. (Ch.108:V2)
Ali bin Abi Talib said “Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him)
informed me about four Judgments (of Allah):
1. Allah’s curse is upon the one who slaughters (devoting his
sacrifice) anything other than to Allah;
2. Allah’s curse is upon the one who curses his own parents;
3. Allah’s curse is upon the one who shelters heretic (who
has brought a Bid’ah in religion);
4. Allah’s curse is upon the one who alters the landmarks
(who changes boundary lines).”
THE CONDEMNATION OF THE ONE WHO WORSHIPS
ALLAH AT THE GRAVE OF A RIGHTEOUS MAN AND HOW
THIS EQUATES TO THE WORSHIP OF MAN :
In the Sahihain (i.e. Al-Bukhari and Muslim), Aisha (r.a.)
reported: “Umm Salamah mentioned to Allah’s Messenger
(Peace be upon him) that in Abyssinia she saw a church full of
pictures and statues. He (Peace be upon him) said: “When a
righteous man or pious worshipper among them dies they build
a place of worship over his grave and set up all kinds of
pictures and statues. They are the worst of all creatures before
Allah. They combine the two evils; worshipping at the graves
and making graven images and statues.”
Also mentioned in Al-Bukhari and Muslim, that ‘Aisha (r.a.)
narrated: “When death approached Allah’s Messenger (Peace
be upon him) he began to draw a piece of cloth (bed sheet)
over his face, (sometimes covering and sometimes removing
because of distress). He (Peace be upon him) said in that state:
“Allah’s curse be upon the Jews and the Christians for taking
the graves of their Prophets as places of worship”, and warned
the people about their actions. Had there not been any fear of
making the Prophet’s grave a place of worship, his (Peace be
upon him) grave would have been as open as the graves of his
Companions (r.a.).”
PEOLPE WHO CELEBRATE ON GRAVE OF HAZART SAHEB - LIKE URS etc :
And Ali bin Hussain narrated: He saw a man at a place that was
at the grave of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and he would
go to it and supplicate. So he (Ali bin Husian) prevented the
man and instructed him saying, “Should I not tell you a Hadeeth
which I heard form my father who in turn heard it from my
grandfather [Ali (r.a.)] who reported from Allah’s Messenger
(Peace be upon him)? He said: ‘Do not take my grave as a
place of celebration, nor your homes as graves, make salat
upon me, for, your salutation will be conveyed to me from
wherever you are.’ “[Al-Mukhtarah (the collection of Imam Al-
Maqdassi)].
I know Hazrat Jee. He was an ordinary person who befooled the people by claiming that he recited Darood Sharif more than any other Muslim did. What a ridiculous claim! What an unverifiable claim! As a result of Hazrat Jee’s white lies, the ignorant Muslims from Jhelum region became his mureed. As a result of his befooling the ignorant Muslims, he made a lot of money which his sons used to buy property. So there is no doubt that these so called spirtual persons abused spirtuality to enrich themselves at the cost of their ignorant followers. These so called spirtual persons enjoyed the worldly like Hazrat Jee but it is certain that they are undergoing torments after their death. May Allah the almighty keep us on the right path!
thank you very much for your input brother Habib Khan. I suspected this all the time. These people are just there to make money for themselves whilst they’re alive and for their families after they’re dead.
If someone came to me and said ” I have read darood shareef more times than any other Muslim “, I would say - OK good for you, may Allah reward you for that but you do realize that Allah created angels whose sole purpose is to praise and worship Allah and recite darood shareef etc. Allah doesn’t want human beings to do the same, rather a human being should perform his Islamic duties whilst being fully involved in this world trying to make a living for himself and his family the halal way.
If a human being sits on his back side, recites darood shareef all the time, does no work, expects to make money from ignorant muslims then he is a pathetic excuse of a human being in my opinion.
Allah knows best.
Brother Islamic ! u r 100% correct when u say that a so-called spirtual person who makes money from ignorant Muslims “is a pathetic excuse of a human being”. In my humble opinion, these so-called spirtual persons are parasites who are dependent on their ignorant followers without whose support they cannot even make their both ends meet, let alone having a high living standard and purchasing property worth millions of rupees. But it is unfortunate that so long as we have vast majority of ignorant believers who have no understanding of Islamic teachings, the clever people will continue to cash in on the ignorance of their blind followers by wearing the garb of spirtuality. The solution to this problem of clever people exploiting the ignorant lies in imparting real Islamic education that is based on Quran. When people will have such real Islamic education, that will put an end to exploitation of these so-called spirtual persons.
you know brother Habib, we don’t see this phenomenon in places like Indonesia/ Malaysia which makes me wonder why it’s so prevelant in the subcontinent. The only reason I can think of is that the uneducated majority of the people living in India/ Pakistan have just tried to copy some of the old hindu traditions e.g. where hindu priests wander the jungles, spend so much time in the wilderness to achieve a grade so to speak and then relying on the local community to feed them.
This peer/ mazaar scenario is similar e.g. spending your whole life reciting darood shareef then feeding some bullshit to the local people that this guy is amazing and we must get him angry.
It all seems like a following of the hindu way to me.
Dear All brother in islam …. only one way to be on right path : study Quran & hadith …and follow it …then one will be on right path …if anyone go here and there …may allah show him right path.Its high time to think and forget all nonsense activities related to Majar .Please try to speak against this people who make out money from the pious person (may allah forgive his sin ) who is no were in this world …Why you people instead of praying for his forgiveness , spreading such activities which were not proof by Quran and Hadith..Pray form Allah and ask forgiveness for all .try to come out from false belief…..
Brother Islamic! It is true that this phenomenon of peeri-mureedi is not found in Muslim societies where real teachings of Islam prevail. This phenomenon is prevalent in India and Pakistan due to unawareness of real teachings of Islam anong the ignorant believers. As a result, persons like Hazrat Jee have ample opportunity to befool the ignorants by making claims of “being the person who read Darood Sharif more than any other Muslim did” and thus pave the way for lining their pocket during their lifetme and help their progeny continue fleecing the ignorant after their death. In his book Hal e Safar, he made the ridiculous claim that he brought into the fold of Islam some 3 billions of Jinn. Such claims are hardly verifiable but gave him the leverage to bring the ignorant into his sphere of influence. May God guide the ignorant to the right path (Amin)
People like Habib Khan And ISLAMIC (By the way you should change your identity from Islamic to Jewish) are pathetic ignorant people who afraid of facing the truth they just bark n bark n bark. So we should leave them with barking.
I would suggest for you miserable creatures to first thoroughly read what Rohaniate exactly is…..Otherwise Understanding the great Hazrat Jee is something which is beyond the capabilities of your brains.
@ burrak - if asking people to leave falsehood and come into the light is barking then I will bark for the rest of my life on earth
Dear brother …first understand Quran And hadith then say anyone as Jewish ..
@ burrak!
Those like u who call themselves Muslims but have practices like those of Christians, Hindus, and Jews should stop calling themselves Muslims because a Muslim can be anything but a “mushrik”. A “mushrik” cannot be a Muslim. The Christians are “mushrik” because they believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and they believe that Jesus Christ is their saviour who will save them from going to hell. Similarly, the Jews believe Hazrat Uzair to be the son of God. Like Christians and Jews, the mushrik (among Muslims of India and Pakistan) who are known as the Bralevi believe that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) will intercede for them and thus save them from torments of hell, irrespective of how many sins they have committed. These are all false beliefs which have nothing to do with the teachings of the Holy Quran. The Holy Quran tells the Muslims to address their prayers direct to God. But against the teachings of Holy Quran, the Bralevi mushrik believe that one’s prayers should be addressed to God through the good office of a spirtual person. Nowhere in the Holy Quran does God say that HE is more likely to accept those prayers which are addressed to Him through certain spirtual person. When God has not ordained so, it is sheer ignorance to believe in the powers of a so-called spirtual person to get the prayers accepted by God. Hopefully, the so-called Muslims who are actually “mushrik” will realise their folly in believing that people like Hazrat Jee (who are themselves dependent on their ignorant followers for their food, luxurious cars, and palaces) have the powers to enrich their followers. May God guide the ignorant to the right path so that they repent over their folly of doing “shirk”.
Dear brother islamic
with regards to the comment you made on December 28th regarding recitation of durood shareef.
You said “….but you do realize that Allah created angels whose sole purpose is to praise and worship Allah and recite
darood shareef etc. Allah doesn’t want human beings to do the same,….”
From Quran:
Allah and his angels shower blessings on the prophet saw
O you who truely believe, invoke blessing upon him (saw) and salute him with a worthy salutation of peace. ( al quran 33:56)
In the above verse it is abosutely crystal clear that ALLAH wants the TRUE belivers to INVOKE durood sheriff!
ask yourself the question are you a TRUE beliver, if so, then the ABOVE verse definetley applies to you also brother ISLAMIC
but disobeying ALLAH is definitely unislamic brother islamic!
brother Imran you didn’t understand the point I was trying to make. The previous comments by other readers were regarding how this “pious” man told the locals that he had recited darood shareef more than any other Muslim in the world. My point was, if Allah wanted humans to just sit down, relax and recite darood shareef their whole life and don’t work for a living, then there was no need to create humans, the angels already do that.
This does not mean that we should not recite darood shareef, I’m simply saying that we should not be conned by people who make such ridiculous claims and even if someone did recite darood shareef a gazillion times, does it mean now that we owe him something? perhaps he now deserves to sit on his back side and we should feed him for free. That would be a great field to be in, maybe all the other muslims are idiots for working so hard to make a living?
Brother Islamic!
I appreciate your arguments. Of course, we, the Muslims, are ordained to recite darood shareef, and we do so while offering prayers five times a day. But the question is: Does God require us to recite and recite and recite darood shareef and nothing practical for the welfare of mankind? Obviously the answer is in the negative. Likewise, Islam does not allow befooling the masses by telling them like “HAZRAT JEE” that no body recited the darood shareef more than he (HAZRAT JEE) did. This ridiculous claim can be made either by a person who is out of his mind or by a peson who wants to befool tthe masses in order to enrich himself and his progeny by extracting “nazrana’ and “bakhsheesh” from ignorant followers who work hard here or abroad to earn their livelihood.
Brother Islamic, you are right in saying that “all the other muslims are idiots for working so hard to make a living”.
The message that HAZRAT JEE and other so-called spirtual persons are giving is that those who want to earn a lot of money should not do hard work in medicine, law, business etc. Rather they should concentrate their attention on reciting darood shareef, and then claim that they have broken the “record” made by “HAZRAT JEE”. Once you make this claim and then repeat this claim until you gather a sufficient number of the ignorant ( who are found in abundance in every society), then rejoice because now u can amass a lot of wealth without doing anything practical for the mankind. Then the ignorant will start coming to you, with the belief that they can get job, they can prosper in business etc if you make “dua” for them. Luckily,Some will get job and some will prosper in business. These ignorant will become firm in their “belief” that it is your “dua” that brought them jobs and prosperity. Those who are not lucky will attribute their failure in getting jobs or having a profitable business to fate and God.
Brother islamic
Allah never said that he wants humans “to just sit down, relax and recite darood shareef their whole life and don’t work for a living,”
One should work for a halal living. You are saying that if someone did make in your views make ridiculous claims that they did recite darood shareef a gazillion times they are lying?
Allah is the one who is the judge not you brother. Are your showing envy?
I never said I’m judging but whats the point of making this ridiculous claim? OK lets say he did recite it more than anyone else, now what? do I owe him my life, my wealth and everything else??
Islamic brother i been reading ur comment for a year now. but here eveidence of what darood can do watch the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQm27PBLR0
brother Qasim, I watched the video, thanks!
firstly, it feels like you’re suggesting that I’m somehow against darood shareef. Nauzubillah, never…
What I’m against is con-men who make money from the poor ignorant people by saying they have developed amazing powers by reciting darood shareef more than anyone else in this world.
That Darood Shareef is obligatory for Muslims is not debatable. What is debatable is whether people like HAZRAT JEE should be allowed by sane Muslims to make ridiculous claims like having got the honour of being the person who recited darood shareef more than anybody else. Such a claim can be made only by an insane man or a con-man. The question is : who is keeping the register for the record of persons who had this honour which HAZRAT JEE claims to have?
oi mate have sum repect your talking about my teacher Hazrat jee is a father to me you wouldnt like it if i said that your father or mother is a con man or a fraud. if your so “ISLAMIC and RELIGIOUS you should respect other people but people like you pair dont your just igronent so and so islam tought us to respect each other not hurt and insulte wasnt the way of the prophet sws love and respect. i think this actual islamic website is another one that provekes viloence i think in your deluded mind thats fine. this site should be taken down and people like you should be behind bars.
Islamic and who ever you freinds are you are people who bring shame and terror on to our religion thats not right people like you cause hatred in th ummah people like you currupot the very essence of this religion.
if trying to help ignorant Muslims stay away from shirk is a crime then I’m guilty and proud.
As for respecting your elders, sure Islam does expect us to respect our elders BUT it also says, DO NOT follow them when they do something un-islamic and don’t obey them when they ask you to do something un-islamic.
Can you tell me which sahabi or the sunnah of our beloved prohet ( pbuh ) was hazrat jee following when he was minting money sat on his back side? and also made a long lasting stream of money for his children and his followers who can then go and make mansions for themselves??
MR ISLAMIC oh i mean MR IGRONENT ur not going to bother listening to our islamic views because you get a kick out of arguments. to me my hazrat saab is haqq and is ways where haqq there is eveidence to support that his teachings are haqq. MR IGRONENT get this in YOUR THINK DELUDED HEAD does islam teach you to respect others belif and ways?………..YESSS it does the Prophet MOhammed sws did so we should follow that if we are from his ummah. but YOU MR IGRNONENT belive we shouldnt.
NOW MR IGRONENT i have viewd your site and i see that the context exluding this seems to be a bit inapropriate at extreame looks like your a extreamist this site should be shut down and reported to the police. extremisim makes me sikk you should be behind bars and lokced up. a person like you and with your extreame views have no place in ISLAM and in society people like you harm others you curropt people minds and bring a have of hatred in people MR IGRONENT you should rember that the way of islam is peace and love not extrameism. the track that you are on is full of violence and hatred brother peace and love is the way forward.
Muslims should respect other people of the book. Would you respect what a Hindu does ( when he worships an idol - a snake god or a male private part god? )
because you mentioned that we should respect other beliefs this means that you feel that your hazrat was out of the fold of Islam and his beliefs must have been not the same as Islam
i am not an extremist and i feel the extremists are still better than what you people do because what you do is shirk ( as you feel that a guy inside a grave holds the power which can benefit you, not Allah ).
what you do is shirk ( the biggest sin in Islam ) extremists may be forgiven for their sins BUT shirk is one thing that Allah will never forgive so leave the path of ignorance, come into the light, save yourself and save your family. Leave the hindu ways my friend.
Islam does not require Muslims to be respectful towards those whose sole aim is to make money in the name of religion by making ridiculous claims. The truly religious persons do not make such claims as shows one’s superiority to others. Rather, they try to hide their real spirtual status. But the con-men befool the ignorant by talking tall about themselves.
MR IGRONENT i find what you said about my hazrat jee very disrespectfull he was following real ISLAM he was a AWLIYA a freind of ALLAH. MR IGRONENT i am asking you to remove this page of hazrat jee and any information you have your a complete idiot that is a extreamist. if youu do not take down this page by 28th jan 2010 then i will report this site and your self first to the IWF (internet Watch Foundation) and then to the police so if you could please coprate and shut this page down it will be a great deal. people like you extreamist are a danger to islam and a danger to society please keep your views to urself and not harm others thoughts.
Qas - I don’t have the authority to remove this page. You can contact the owner and put your case in front of them. I am a contributor to this site. I feel this page should stay up because it exposes some of the tricks and money making schemes poor illeterate muslims fall for so its a good way to discuss and enlighten some of our brothers and sisters. You have made your case in the comments above so let the visitors decide what is Haq and what is False.
Brother Islamic, the efforts u are putting in to propagate the real teachings of Islam which definitely does not allow grave-worshipping (which is akin to idolators worsipping the idols) are highly commendable, and it is prayed that God Almighty continue to give you the courage to continue to prove the grave-worshippers to be out of the fold of Islam. It is strange that representatives of the grave-worshipping community have started threatening you instead of proving their point with references from the Holy Quran and the authentic Hadith.
Al-Isra
وَقُلْ جَاء الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا (17:81)
And say: “The truth has now come [to light], and falsehood has withered away: for, behold, all falsehood is bound to wither away!”
Dear Brother in islam Assalam o alaikum . Come to one common platform of Islam … and folllow Quran And Sunnah .. u ll be guided to righteous path …. path which Allah told us to follow …why many people go here and there instead of sticking to Quran and Sunnah …….and rememeber one thing if anyone go beyound Quran and sunnah he is doing Shirk ….
Its high time to think and forget all nonsense activities related to Majar .Please try to speak against this people who make out money from the pious person (may allah forgive his sin ) who is no were in this world …Why you people instead of praying for his forgiveness , spreading such activities which were not proof by Quran and Hadith..Pray form Allah and ask forgiveness for all .try to come out from false belief…..
Hz. Ali bin Hussain narrated: He saw a man at a place that was
at the grave of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and he would
go to it and supplicate. So he (Ali bin Husian) prevented the
man and instructed him saying, “Should I not tell you a Hadeeth
which I heard form my father who in turn heard it from my
grandfather [Ali (r.a.)] who reported from Allah’s Messenger
(Peace be upon him)? He said: ‘Do not take my grave as a
place of celebration, nor your homes as graves, make salat
upon me, for, your salutation will be conveyed to me from
wherever you are.’ “[Al-Mukhtarah (the collection of Imam Al-
Maqdassi)].
Thank you very much for your input brothers Rashid, Habib and others. may Allah reward you for taking some time out and putting valuable information on this page so people can benefit from it.
Mr IGRONENT and clown company you daft idiot ur the admin of this site i told you i give till th 28th of jan i am now going to report you and this site to the IWF and the police you need to be behind bars.
i am not debating to you about my views in islam you are to igronent to understand you narrow minede twit.
Well said QAS this page has become a point of entertainment for maniacs like ISLAMIC,He probably also using different ID’s to propagate his ignorance, he keeps on barking over same point that he saw people worshiping grave it may happen somewhere but it has nothing to do with sufism and based on just few ignorant worshipers how can someone make fun of Auwliya and great sufi’s.I think we start putting our efforts to turn down this page.
Brother Islamic,
Keep on exposing the un-Islamic belefs and practices of the grave-lickers who are hell-bound for their insistence on continuing with such beliefs and practices.
it’s the duty of every true Muslim to spread the true word of Islam. We must do whatever we can to expose this nonsense.
I feel really sad when i read this blog. Brothers we should not dis respect one another like this. if Islamic was a none muslim and we were giving him Dawa would we use harsh language like this? We are muslim that has to mean something. Brother Islamic when we say Laillaha ilal we deny all other forms of god worship and accept Allah as our Lord.After that there is no shirk because we belive in only that one true God.But then we cannot have proper tawheed without saying Muhammad-ur-rasool-ulallah.If Allah wont forgive shirk why did he say you must say the second part of kalima.We have taken shirk to an extreme.I agree there must be a balance.But the shirk of muslims is not the simple shirk of idol worhippers what the prophet talked about and i will get all refrences you need from Quran and Hadith is the shirk of following our own Nafs and worshipping and acting on that instead of following Allahs wishes.We can go into loads of detail and the proofs are there if you look with an open heart to be guided by God to the sirat-al-mustaquim.We can go very deep point by point and give correct refrences from accepted tafseer and sahih hadith if you wish but you need to willing to understand it and be willing to see the ground you stand on is not what you think.Some people can have all the proofs but not want to move because their nafs has too much of a hold or they have prayed for true enlightenment.
@ brother M - thank you for your input my brother. When a glass is completely full and you pour more water into it, what happens? It simply flows out right? because the glass cannot hold anymore water.
Now 1400 years ago, Allah revealed to the muslims that on that day Allah has completed our deen for us. That was it.. the DEEN is complete. Please dont add more to it. Don’t do bidd’aa in deen. The fields you should be doing bidd’aa in like technology, you dont. We have just made it our mission to keep adding more water to an already complete glass
this is what makes me sad. I dont care how many references you can give me from hadith and other books but just tell me one thing. If the last prophet (pbuh) came to know that at mazaars like one in this post is a place where people go especially to ask for sons to be born in their family, would he let this building stand??
Brother Islamic,
I am highly appreciative of the work you are doing in order to purge the Islamic Ummah of the biddah that have crept into our great Deen because of certain conmen who are casing in on the ignorance of majority of Muslims about the true teachings of Islam. May God help the ignorant Muslim to become aware of biddah!
what these ignorant people don’t realise is that they’re commiting shirk. The one and only sin in Islam which Allah WILL NOT FORGIVE. Even if I wasn’t a very knowledgeable Muslim, I would run 100 yards away from anything remotely connected to shirk.. even if there is some doubts and debate, I would stay away from it. May Allah help us all stay away from this 1 & only unforgivable sin.
Shirk is divided into two categories:
1. Major Shirk
2. Minor Shirk
Allah says, “It is not for the Mushrikun (polytheist, idolaters,
pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), to maintain the
Mosques of Allah (i.e. to pray and worship Allah therein, to look
after their cleanliness and their building etc.,), while they witness
against their own selves of disbelief. The works of such are in
vain and in Fire shall they abide. Ch.9 V.17
MINOR SHIRK ;
“He who swore by something other than Allah shall be regarded
as Mushrik.” Reported by Umar ibn al-Khatab (RAL) and
narrated by Ahmed.
‘He who swore by other than Allah had fallen in Kufr or Shirk”
reported by Ibn Umar (RAL) and narrated by Abu Dawood and
At-Tirmidhi.
TO WEAR A RING, TWINE, OR ANYTHING SIMILAR FOR
PROTECTION FROM OR REMOVAL OF HARM OR
AFFLICTION, IS AN ACT OF SHIRK
Imran bin Husain (r.a.) narrated: The Prophet (Peace be upon
him) once saw a man with a brass ring on his hand and asked
him, “What is this?” The man replied, “To overcome the
weakness of old age.” He said, “Remove it, for, it can only add
to your weakness. Should death overtake you while you are
wearing it, you would never succeed.” [This Hadeeth was
recorded by Ahmad (bin Hanbal) (r.a.) with a good chain of
narrators.]
Ibn Abi Hatim reported about Hudhaifah (r.a.): He saw a man
with a piece of twine on his hand (as protection or cure from
fever) so he cut the twine and read the verse: “Most of them
believe in Allah and still practice Shirk (polytheism).” (Ch12:
V106).
It is strictly forbidden to wear rings, twines and the like
seeking protection.
If, even the Companions had died wearing such a thing,
they would not have succeeded (in the Hereafter). This is a
confirmation to the statement of the companions that minor
Shirk is greater (worse) than major sins.
Ibn Mas’ud (r.a.) narrated that he heard Allah’s Messenger
(Peace be upon him) saying: Ar-Ruqa, At-Tama’im and At-
Tiwalah are all acts of Shirk (Polytheism).” (Musnad Ahmad;
Abu Dawood
Ar-Ruqa or Al-Aza’im is the act of reciting incantations, charm
etc. Those are allowed in which there is no trace of Shirk
(polytheism). Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) has
permitted it in case of being bitten by poisonous insects or
disturbed under the effect of an evil eye.
At-Tama’im is the act of putting an amulet around the necks of
children to protect them from effects of evil eye. If the amulet
contains the verse of the Quran or Allah’s Name and Attribute
then it is allowed by some predecessors (salaf) though equally
disallowed by others too. Ibn Mas’ud (r.a.) was among those
who disapproved it.
At-Tiwalah (bewitching) is something done by those who claim
they can cause a woman to become more fond of her husband
or vice-versa.
Ali bin Abi Talib said “Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him)
informed me about four Judgments (of Allah):
1. Allah’s curse is upon the one who slaughters (devoting his
sacrifice) anything other than to Allah;
2. Allah’s curse is upon the one who curses his own parents;
3. Allah’s curse is upon the one who shelters heretic (who
has brought a Bid’ah in religion);
4. Allah’s curse is upon the one who alters the landmarks
(who changes boundary lines).”
THE CONDEMNATION OF THE ONE WHO WORSHIPS
ALLAH AT THE GRAVE OF A RIGHTEOUS MAN AND HOW
THIS EQUATES TO THE WORSHIP OF MAN
In the Sahihain (i.e. Al-Bukhari and Muslim), Aisha (r.a.)
reported: “Umm Salamah mentioned to Allah’s Messenger
(Peace be upon him) that in Abyssinia she saw a church full of
pictures and statues. He (Peace be upon him) said: “When a
righteous man or pious worshipper among them dies they build
a place of worship over his grave and set up all kinds of
pictures and statues. They are the worst of all creatures before
Allah. They combine the two evils; worshipping at the graves
and making graven images and statues.”